Grief and Rebirth: Finding the Joy in Life | Tracee Dunblazier | Transformative Grief


Multi-sensitive Tracee Dunblazier is a spiritual empath, a shaman, an educator, and a spiritual counselor. Her specialties include soul retrieval, past life history, Shamanic healing, mediumship, grief counseling, intuitive counseling, addiction transformation, space clearings, relationships, transition strategy, and multi-dimensional understanding, which means to look at a situation from different viewpoints to grasp aspects of the situation beyond a limited perspective. Tracee is an Eight-Time National Award-Winning Author, and she has been a guest on many prominent television and radio programs. Her most recent book, which is a definitive guidebook for reshaping feelings around grief, is titled “Transformative Grief: An Ancient Ritual for Healing in Modern Times.” Be sure to tune in to this memorable interview with highly gifted, compassionate, and down-to-earth Tracee as she answers questions such as what is soul retrieval? and what is transformative grief? ….plus, Tracee shares how she helps people to release, empower, and transform their lives!


  • How soul retrieval helps to heal trauma
  • Why the role we play in each of our past lives is sacred
  • Healing spiritual trauma can create “magic” in our lives
  • How our relationships mirror our souls.
  • How forgiveness is the process of becoming neutral after a trauma has taken place.
  • Transformative grief is the mechanism to helping individuals find meaning and purpose after loss.


  • What is soul retrieval?
  • How are our relationships mirrors to our souls?
  • How can we heal spiritual trauma and create magic in our lives?
  • How do you use multi-dimensional understanding to help a client release, empower, and heal?
  • In what ways do catastrophes serve to master who we are?
  • What are different kinds of grief a person can experience in a lifetime?
  • How does transformative grief help to reveal our spiritual purpose and truth, giving us access to our highest possibilities?

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Tracee Dunblazier: How Does Transformative Grief Reveal Your Spiritual Purpose and Truth?






I hope this finds each of you very well. I am speaking to you from my studio in West Orange, New Jersey, and I could not be more delighted to have this opportunity to interview multi-sensitive Tracee Dunblazier, who is a spiritual empath, a shaman, an educator, and a spiritual counselor. Tracee’s specialties include soul retrieval, past life history, shamanic healing, mediumship, grief counseling, intuitive counseling, addiction transformation, space clearings, relationships transition strategy, and multidimensional understanding, which means looking at a situation from different viewpoints to grass aspects of the situation beyond a limited perspective.

Tracee was born with a profound innate awareness of the spiritual world and deep compassion for all who were hurt. She lives with the intention of transformation and growth both spiritually and emotionally as she creates unique healing plans for each of her clients by blending the information. She receives intuitively with different healing modalities. Her sessions are focused on freeing clients from their presenting issues to release, empower, and heal no matter what the condition with a compassionate, humorous, and down-to-earth style that supports and empowers her clients as their tender topics are addressed.

Tracee, who is based in Los Angeles, California is an eight-time National Award-Winning author and she has been a guest on many prominent television and radio programs. Her most recent book, which is a definitive guidebook for reshaping feelings around grief is titled Transformative Grief: An Ancient Ritual of Healing for Modern Times, and her many published articles also cover subjects related to spirituality and grief.

Tracee holds workshops throughout the year providing mentoring programs that teach spiritual development and energy dynamics to both the novice for self-healing and the professional practitioner. As those of you who follow the Grief and Rebirth podcast. The mission of this podcast is to educate, enlighten, and provide healing choices that can transform lives. I’m looking forward to having Tracee educate us and enlighten us about questions such as what is soul retrieval? And what is transformative grief? And reveal the many ways she is a dynamic healing resource guiding and supporting people on their healing journeys as they release in power and transform their lives. This will surely be a memorable and enlightening interview with the highly gifted, compassionate, and down-to-earth Tracee. Tracee, a warm heartfelt welcome to Grief and Rebirth Podcast.

Thank you so much. It’s really wonderful to be here.


Grief and Rebirth: Finding the Joy in Life | Tracee Dunblazier | Transformative Grief


I am thrilled to have you here and get to know you. That is one of the perks of this podcast. I’m meeting the most wonderful people.

I brought one of my friends. It is a double-terminated quartz that is going to be here with us today.

Oh, that’s a blessing. That’s wonderful. We will take it. You are so amazing and incredible, you were born so gifted and also let’s start from the beginning. To be an empath during your formative years and what were those recurring nightmares that began when you were in your crib? My goodness, it’s hard not to be a little infant.

It was powerful. I felt deeply connected to everything but people. I connect to people but I knew that I was getting information or I had experiences that other people weren’t having and so there was always the sense of isolation. But I was also born with a sense of desire for leadership, a desire for healing, not only for myself but for other people, so that helped me easily bridge that gap. But basically what it looked like is I grieved all night and then put on a mask all day and I don’t know that I felt like myself, I was born multi-spirited and what that means is I had multiple different Souls attached to my spirit.

In addition to the memories of many spiritual traumas. That’s what we call the multi-dimensional world. So you’ve got all of these other things going on. That only I’m aware of, other people can perceive it. They see it in how I interacted, and how I spoke, maybe sometimes I’d say something that didn’t necessarily match being a five-year-old or a 10-year-old. There were inklings if somebody was paying attention that there was more going on than just me being present. I navigated that.

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How did your parents handle that and did you have siblings who are not as gifted as you?

In my family, the multi-dimensional world was looked at as a mental illness, and so I never told anybody. Everybody in my family was highly intuitive. But my grandfather had died in an asylum long before I was born 10 years before I was born. It wasn’t something that we talked about or shared, it wasn’t appropriate if you will, like it wasn’t safe, let me say that. Not that any of them, everybody’s always supported me to the degree at which they could and my father had he lived he died when I was twelve, but had he lived I think he was the one person in the family that had a deeper understanding of the multi-dimensional world and at least he had a belief system that supported it.

That’s so interesting. Let me ask you another thing. I know about this because I’ve experienced it through other healers who I know that sometimes more than one Soul attaches itself to a body but sometimes that can really not be so great for the person. So did you get some of those souls, have they left you, or are you still working with them? And why do you think that you had so many souls wanting to be housed in your being?

Because it was my karma that I had. In this lifetime, I came in like my grand purpose for myself was to heal, illustrated by thousands of years of trauma.

You chose to take on a lot when you were coming in.

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I did, I wanted to do it all in one fell swoop.

You are a high-achieving soul.

Yes. I am a very high-achieving soul. This life has been about grieving and grieving was the process of accessing all of that spiritual information and the stories and the dreams and the visions and the soul retrievals and past life recalls all of the things that I experienced, that I brought members of my ancestral family with me. I had multiple guides with me. I had a husband, he and I had died one after the other together. He was with me. I had this posse that was multicult, in every ethnicity on the planet, so it allowed me to see everyone as I see myself.

Did some of those souls leave over time or were they still all with you?

They all left in the way in which I brought them in. The interesting story, I was thirty-five years old and I was watching Oprah and BB and CeCe Winans were on the show that day and they started singing this song, and all of a sudden I just felt the last lady lift up off of me and you know of course I bawled for you know an hour or two, it wasn’t out of distress. It was out of awe and the profound shift in how I saw myself without that final spirit; it was potent.

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That is quite amazing. Oprah’s known to create miracles, but that was above and beyond, literally. Were you born with all your gifts or in time did you develop more? Did you study them? I know that you teach other people how to use their gifts. So, did you do that with others or were you full-blown gifted with everything when you came in?

I already had these gifts within me. I think as a human being as I developed, as I was better able to manage certain experiences, I developed them for the sake of others. Let me put it that way. And what that means is that it was a process of coming out to express what these things were, how they worked, what they were for me, trusting myself in front of other people, right? As a child, I had all this understanding already. But every time I would voice something, as a young person nobody wants to see a know-it-all twelve-year-old. Nobody wants that.

She’s saying a lot of stuff that they do not know anything about, and they do not necessarily agree with either.

It can be frightening, so I learned very early on that I was going to pick and choose my battles. Let me say that. Which I did I picked and I chose quite a few of them, but certainly not all of them. I lived in New York for a long time, and so I was having the internal awakening and the external awakening in New York for me was very visceral and instinctual and I would have dreams, it was more in my subliminal. When I came to Los Angeles, that was the time that I became ultra clairvoyant, ultra clairaudient.

How old were you when you came to Los Angeles?

I was twenty-seven.

Early on the stuff cooked in, I want everyone to understand that as we talk there are a lot of things people don’t understand you do so many things. So I just want to ask you how the soul retrieval part started. Were you able to do that right from the very beginning or was this something that developed once you got to Los Angeles and could you explain it to them? What a soul retrieval is? I witnessed this, but I’m sure a lot of people don’t know anything about that.

The concept is, that with every traumatic experience that we have, we often leave a part of our spirit in that place and time. For example, when I first started working as a psychic now, I had always been the way that I am but like I said coming out to other people and participating was a whole other relationship to it and a woman had come to me, she asked me if I did hypnosis and could I help her with stopping smoking? She had been smoking for twenty years. So I said well, I don’t do hypnosis, but I do past life information and soul retrieval so let’s go back in time and see what prompted you to take that first cigarette. We went back in time and space to a point at which she had been raped when she was eighteen years old.

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In another lifetime?

No, it was in this lifetime. She had been raped and she had separated from her friends and met somebody new. He walked her away from her group of people in some alley and raped her and then after that experience, she came back to her group of people and was in shock and couldn’t say anything and couldn’t do anything. And so she started smoking. She had her first cigarette at that moment. What we did is like took her back and we took her soul back. We took her power back from that period of time and on a spiritual and emotional level she was able to confront her attacker. And pull her energy and power back from him.

You helped her retrieve her soul from him, and you received the information about her past life, or you were able to get her to bring that forth.

It’s similar to a process of regression, but it’s much more simplified, and actually today it’s much easier than doing a full-on regression. Basically, I took her back. We asked her spirit to lead us to allow her to visualize the first time she had a cigarette and what happened just before that like what was the thing that prompted the desire to smoke? Once she acknowledged that she was able to grieve really for the first time and while she had told people over the years. This is 20 years. Now that this woman has lived in this suffering and choked it back with the smoke. Once she was able to just be back in those moments herself and feel free to grieve and take her power back from that person.

Sometimes in the multidimensional world what is unprocessed, even if it’s from our past, remains in our present. It remains in our spirit and in our energy waiting to be processed and processing it means that we go in with a new consciousness of power and empowerment. In that situation, we went back and she walked away from him. Instead of walking with him. She walked away from him, and just that simple action of in that time and space pulling her energy back and not going through that. It let her have a do-over that she couldn’t in this realm.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate the word survivor of rape, but I am a rape survivor myself. There are multiple levels right, you have to deal with what happened, how it happened, and that it’s not your fault. It’s somebody else’s fault. They’re the perpetrator. But as you process your mental, your emotional ultimately when you get back to your spiritual level. It’s valuable that you recognize what was the pattern in place that left you vulnerable. Because if you don’t see you, not anybody else. This is not about blame.

You ultimately need to see the pattern in place. A pattern could be having a sense of a bad feeling but not following it, being over-excited, and sometimes meeting people and giving them a job. Like maybe this person is going to like me or maybe they’ll take me out. You know that these good things will happen. Right? And so, we are in our desire of what we want to happen and not in the reality of what is possible. All leading back to our own intuition. So it is a learning experience. At this point, once you have grieved, and you have acknowledged, and you have spoken, and you have gone through this process then you can go back spiritually, which means we visualize we go back into that time and space we call on it and we take our power back in whatever way we do.

That’s really wonderful. Let me ask you something because I know you know the answer to this. I’m pretty sure you know the answer to this. So this creep who raped her. With all of his history and his baggage and all the things that brought him to that moment. He gets to the other side and he gets to live that right he gets that in life for you, right? So is that how that works and then eventually he heals on the other side and hopefully eliminates that pattern in his behavior? How does that work?

That is what we call karma. Karma is the repetitions or the patterns that we create through our own actions. Everything that you said is true, but not necessarily in one lifetime. It might take like somebody might die and be in stasis, not learn anything, reincarnate, and continue with the same, the same. Eventually, they are going to know and understand the pain they caused. And when they can know and understand the pain they caused then they can on a more deep and on a deeper level be able to witness the person that they were that created that pattern that led them to this outcome.

That’s a choice for them about healing and where they go with it also, right?

Yeah, so on a grander level, it’s definitely a choice. It is our soul’s purpose to understand our impact on ourselves and others.

There are healing spaces on the other side also, so a soul like that could choose to heal.

It is all healing. You mentioned a quote earlier. You cannot really understand what it means to be right until you have been wrong and not until you have been wronged, but until you yourself have made a mistake that hurt somebody in a way that maybe you yourself could not conceive of. We don’t really understand things until we really know and have experienced those things. For me personally, my karma, these profound theories of awakenings and grief, and things that I have experienced in this lifetime were thousands of years in the making, and I had experienced extreme spiritual trauma, which led to extremely addictive behavior, right, escapism, wanting to hurt others, wanting to protect myself using fear as a weapon rather than love.

Now you can see people who are using fear instead of love and people who are doing that.

Yes, exactly. Having had all of these experiences, I chose to bring with me the memories of the most potent ones when I put others in a position to do for me what I was unable or unwilling to do for myself. And in this lifetime I had to own that and do for myself and then serve those who couldn’t yet do for themselves, and then I had a choice, am I going to give a fish or teach them to fish? Right? Am I going to do it for them or show them ways of doing it?

Don’t you have a healing program also that helps to free people from their presenting issues? How does that work?

So it’s called Living Radical Acceptance and it is a membership program that when people are engaged, I come on and I do lives, we do every other week. We do lives, where I will take questions. We’ll talk about things. It’s also an opportunity to get insights and information that I put out earlier than the regular public and you also get a discount on my sessions and all the products that I sell the books and decks and other tools that I sell. It’s a way to have a community.

That’s great. That’s wonderful. I think it very much feels very comforting for a lot of people and I need also for you to explain to everyone because we’re talking about physical trauma when we’re raped or all these awful things happen to us physically, but there’s also something you call spiritual trauma and you say we need to heal spiritual trauma to create what you call magic in our lives. Can you educate us a little bit about that, Tracee?

Rape is not about the physical act. Rape is about the psychological and emotional and spiritual relationship to control and power, so a rape rarely is a person hurt. Sometimes when people aren’t hurt physically, some are, but even if a person hasn’t really been deeply hurt or victimized on a physical level, they have been victimized on a mental, emotional, and spiritual level. Those are the levels which ultimate healing must take place. We can survive any physical trauma that happens, but it is the mental, emotional and spiritual traumas that linger and then are carried from life to life to life if we are unable to grieve and confront our attacker.

If the attacker the person isn’t available to confront, you’ve got to confront that on a spiritual level, or you then cultivate other patterns like fear. The majority of rapes that happen are usually by partners, domestic partners, or date rape like people know you have an acquaintance rape, you know this person and then the rape takes place. Rarely are they anonymous or where people don’t know, as the all the numbers, the statistics go, that’s the lesser.

When that happens to somebody, they are left with this void. Of this face of this energy of this person that exists out in the world. That they don’t know where they are. There is a spiritual, there in the spirit realm, there’s a place in their psyche that they take with them the possibility that every person they come upon in the world. Maybe the person sitting at the next table or sitting at the doctor’s office or at the DMV or the grocery. You sense those things and can even recognize that criminals have similar vibrations. They all vibrate similarly. You can feel it’s a frequency that you can sense and feel and that’s not a visual thing. That’s an energetic thing. You feel it in your heart or your stomach.

Part of those people need to be encouraged to support it to honor those feelings because I think a lot of us are brought up to keep our emotions and or our intuition in the background. Right?

Absolutely. All of these modalities of healing, even just speaking of your trauma and your experience in breaking it down, telling that story, frees you from being locked into this one vibrational pattern that is the only thing that you recognize that doesn’t leave you empowered in it. When we talk about, to answer your question directly, to heal spiritual trauma, spiritual trauma is all of the traumas that we may have experienced at any other time that is left in our mental, emotional, and spiritual faculties.

From past lives, present life, and everything. You just made a comment about our vibration, in which you say our inner world creates our outer world. So you help people heal their spiritual trauma so that they get some of that debris out of their inner world, right? Which frees them. Have I got that right?


I want to ask you, how do our relationships mirror our souls?

When you talk about a mirror to your soul you’re speaking of many elements, one is vibration. Everything that we do, everything that we think, say, and feel has a frequency that it moves at. And those frequencies match each other. So, we could be in a fairly joyful place, but we walk into a group of angry people and we get sucked into yeah, you know, I remember when I…we dredge up anything that allows us to be in that group of people and match the frequency that’s there. That happens on every level, both positive and negative.

When you’re not in that frequency, that’s when you get pushback because people can feel that you’re very different and they will have all their reactions to that. Right?

Absolutely. Frequency is the energetic way we all communicate before we see each other before we speak with one another. We recognize people’s energy, and when we talk about a higher frequency, that doesn’t mean better, it means more at ease, more relaxed, peaceful, graceful, flowing. A lower frequency is dense and could be sluggish or moving at a lesser pace.

Perhaps very angry or right?

Absolutely. My point in saying that is I try to take it when you deal with frequency people like oh you should just be at a higher frequency or I’ve got such a high vibration. And I want to take people out of that punishment and reward thinking. We all at times feel angry and are in that density. Our spirit slows to a point at which we can look at and recognize what we are shutting ourselves off from that is making us angry, like what we’re not getting that anger is purposeful. Once you gain that information then your next level is to let that anger go and move into grief. Grief is flowing and will take you to the next level of understanding which is joy. Right, Joy isn’t necessarily happiness, it is Intrigue. It is curiosity. It’s interesting. It is fun. Right? It is the thing that drives you into the next moment to learn more stuff.

It is engagement. It is expanding.

Yes exactly. So, when you talk about mirroring when you meet people, the first thing you will see in somebody else is something you are learning to be. You are learning to accept in yourself. Or something that you love about yourself, but do not necessarily acknowledge, but you can see it in them and love it in them. Ninety-five percent of our relationships are about that self-exploration we have when meeting new people.

That is fascinating. I know that you also talk about how catastrophe served to master who we are. Can you explain that concept to us? You have such a deep level of understanding for these things, Tracee. It is great.

Catastrophes are related to chaos and chaos is an energy that breaks things apart so that we can discern what parts we want to bring forward with us to create our new experience, our new life, our new house. All these huge physical world tragedies, these big weather events. Annihilation is happening and If you survive that annihilation, spirit is offering you the opportunity to rebuild in a new way with an open heart. Sometimes we are put in situations, and we are forced to grieve like the burden is so big that we can’t help but allow it to just sink through us.

It is that process of grieving that opens our heart to you know, what I’m going to spend my time with the people who share my values or I’m going to stop you know hoping that people like me and not care if they like me and let the ones who really like me move my way. I’m going to stop doing certain things. I’m going to start putting my energy and focus where it brings me joy, because now I understand that time is not given, time can be short. We have events that show us a different relationship to linear time and when that happens it also opens us up to an expression or understanding of who we are on the inside like where our life is vast is our spiritual worlds, our limitless spiritual worlds.



That’s really fabulous. And I want to also ask you. Okay, so we are talking about catastrophes and people are grieving and it is giving them the chance to open and expand more instead of contracting. But as you are grieving, and people have, and things have been perpetrated on them that they are grieving you say that forgiveness is the process of which was really interesting, the process of becoming neutral after a trauma has taken place. And does forgiving mean forgetting? So, can you explain to people because they say, how can I forgive when this was done to me and they are holding on to what happened, can you educate us about that, Tracee?

I hope that I can. Forgiveness is another word that means make even. So, if you’ve been traumatized, if you’ve been hurt, if you’ve been perpetrated on in any way, shape, or form, there’s a process that you have to go through that brings you into another level of understanding. What does that mean? That means that if something happened when I was raped, I lived 10 years in rage. I was mad and I lived as mad as I wanted to be. I was in New York City. In New York City, you can be as mad as you want, and people accept you, and I was grateful for that, but there was a point in which I recognized that all that rage and anger, while it might have protected me from would-be criminals, it hurt me. It kept me locked into only certain kinds of relationships with other people because nobody wants to be around a person who is angry all the time. Even if they understand why you are in such pain.

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I’ll bet everyone listening to this can relate to that. They know people who are always angry.

We share energy when we are around others. And so if I’ve put my burden on a lot of people and I have in my life allowed a lot of people to put their burdens on me, like I feel like it’s even but there comes a time when you recognize that you can be self-sufficient that you don’t need others to help you process your burden and that you can grieve your burden away. When you grieve, it transforms that energy. When we’re angry, our anger will give way to grief. And when we grieve, we transform that energy. And it changes the lens that we look at life through.

We begin to recognize that there is a world outside of just our 3D and 4D experience which is our physical and emotional selves. We recognize that there are others; sometimes we recognize there are other beings. We are awakened to the idea of a greater purpose or a higher life form, whatever. However, you want to see it. But as we begin to do that, we then recognize love. And there was a point literally. I had one year of my life that I was living in Harlem, 111th and 8th Avenue. The neighborhood had been regentrifying for quite some time. But this one year, I was in transition. I was waiting on tables.

I had a bunch of jobs that I was tired of doing and I wanted to do more. I knew I could do more. I did not. I was tired of being so angry all the time. And wouldn’t you know these dudes on the corner? Every night they would chase me into my house. At exactly 2:00in the morning, they were knocking on the door. Terrified me and that is when I realized wow. I’m too tired to stay angry if I had still been angry I would have confronted them. But I was too tired for that. I didn’t want that anymore. I wanted to be a loving person and I wanted to feel safe. I wanted to be in a safe space to be a loving person. In that year, I actually decided to go to LA instead. Like my experiences were kind of drying up there and I wanted and I needed something new. I did not want to go to LA but it seemed to be the only place that was calling to me.

Why do you think that was?

Because in New York, once you are out, once you walk out of your building you are in it all day. You are forced to deal with people and you pretty much have to do that all the time and the years that I was there we did not have the delivery systems and all the ways that we now can isolate ourselves.

And you’re sensitive. So you are barraged with all this energy the minute you walk out of your building.

When I came to Los Angeles, it was an epic place. It is the City of Angels. People, at first, were awful. Very passive-aggressive, very self-centered, all the things that you would think and again, this is not who all the people are in LA but it is how I experienced it because I loved the honesty and the truth of New York. So, coming here to LA isolated me to the point at which I had to find the honesty and truth in myself. And that is when I had to start really digging into my own soul journeys. Resurrecting a lot of these dreams that I had had since childhood some of those tonight. All those nightmares that I had. I started to work through them. I started to ask what their purpose was. What is the story behind this?

That you did this work on your own or did you see other people to help you also or you were able to get this with all your gifts for yourself?

Both. Mostly I did it myself and it came through after deep bouts of grief. I have many spiritual guides like literally energetic otherworldly beings, people that speak through me, the animals that speak to me a lot. And I did have a short circle of people who were also psychic. Who were older than me who could you know, give me a pat and tell me it was all going to be okay, and you know, occasionally help me talk through. some things that allowed me to begin my process of the gift of speaking about these things that are communicated to me. Because I think in all the things that I do that I think is my real forte, is to be able to explain a concept in a way someone can receive it. At least that is my goal.

Let me ask you all that you are talking about. It is about transformative grief and is the remarkable grief guide you just wrote. It is titled Transformative Grief: An Ancient Ritual of Healing for Modern Times. Tell us about what inspired you to write this gift guide and the different kinds of grief a person can experience in a lifetime and anything else you would like to share with us. It is a very healing transformative book. Tell us all about that.

Grief and Rebirth: Finding the Joy in Life | Tracee Dunblazier | Transformative Grief

Transformative Grief: An Ancient Ritual of Healing for Modern Times

First of all, I’m going to show your people who are watching the cover. They did such a beautiful cover for this.

How gorgeous.

It’s a person falling into the ocean. And that is how it feels like when the wave of grief comes like a boom, and then I am on the floor. I am on my knees on the floor wailing.

Yeah, I can relate to that. Absolutely.

It also reminded me of the first Jaws movie, how it opens where the woman is swimming in the ocean. And that image has always been too much for me like that that has been like that was one of the one of the symbols that at age four or five or whatever it was gave me an inclination of who I am because the ocean is so vast and ocean the symbology of an ocean or water is emotions. And it was and it was one of the foretelling symbols for me of finding out who I am. So transformative grief. The book came out of fifty years of grieving and being able to grieve so much and so often that I recognize that there is a distinct process of learning and transformation and development that it takes us through. We do not have to learn to do it. It is going to take us through that process.

It’s still a choice though Tracee, isn’t it? Because some people stay stuck in their grief and they never move forward through it. Would you agree with that?

Well, I’m going to say no and this is why. As a witness to somebody else’s grief, we see a linear. We only see a slice of what we witness or what they tell us about their grief. I grieved in fifty years the trauma I experienced over thousands of years. When we say a person is going to grieve in their own way and in their own time. We are never stuck. We may be in stasis. We may be in rest and repose. We may be in rage and anger because our anger makes us hypervigilant and it makes us pay attention to details that we would not have otherwise done. And you know we could stay in I mean, I was rageful I had a lot to be really I had a lot to rage about the rape that I experienced was just the beginning for me of the spiritual traumas that I had experienced. So, I stayed in a rage for a solid 10 years and was actively working on it. So I know my friends all felt exactly that way like, oh my God, would you please just get through this?

So in your mind, you were not moving forward, but your way, you were.

Absolutely. I am going to say this to everybody out there. You are the only person who can discern what you need and how you need it and the biggest favor you can do for yourself and your friends and loved ones is let them off the hook. Say let me be where I am at, and you do not have to do anything to help me. Books fell out of the shelves for me at bookstores. One time, I was on the subway. It was the downtown express. I think it is the number two line. And this guy who everybody would call him crazy or homeless or whatever. However, we termed that guy at that time. I do not know his situation, but he walked up to me, looked at me, and channeled messages from me. And I sat there and cried while he talked to me for thirty minutes, and then I got off at West 4th Street. He stood up, we bowed at each other and left.

Yeah, so your process is the process is whether you know it, and you have a group of people that are with you on every level that is pushing for you, and if they are not if you do not see them directly in your life. Then pull your energy away from the people that are there and start being present to them to the messages that can come if you are open to them. But be your own advocate.

That is great. I know transformative grief helps to reveal our spiritual purpose and truth. Giving us access to our highest possibilities. For those in our audience who are grieving, how does that work for them, that this can be a bridge to them to reveal there is for a higher spiritual person in their lives? I know that happened to me so I can personally attest to that.


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So, there is this part of science of crying: when you cry for ten minutes or more it literally changes the neural in the brain. You have neural circuitries that tell you how you believe and how you feel and when you grieve you are usually grieving something that the pain exists because the neural circuitry in your brain gives you a belief or ideal that is no longer current for your condition or experience. Your brain has to change, and grief is the process that allows or promotes that to happen.

When you grieve, you shift on every level mental, emotional, spiritual, and cognizant, your brain level. That’s what is transformative and when that happens when you have a new lens and you look at the world differently. You’re going to have to relearn how to think about things. When you have been betrayed in some way, you ultimately have to learn how to trust again, first learning to trust yourself, then learning to trust each other. Right. We learn new cues. We expect new things from our environment and from the people in our lives and do all those activities. Will change us, it will reprogram our neural circuitry and it will change how we feel, change how we think, and eventually create a new vibrational spin that will attract new and better things for us.



That is beautiful. I also want to talk to you about something close to my heart. You talk about the importance of planning and end-of-life celebrations. Tell us all about that and then I’ll throw in my little piece of that.

Again, one thing about transformative grief is when we think of grief in our modern culture. We still think of grief as what you do as it relates to death, dying, and extreme loss. We do not give you permission to grieve when the coffee maker breaks and you’re late.

I can relate to that. I love that.

The other day, I was so frustrated. I was taking all these calls with all you know, all of the medical system Insurance, all of that stuff and I was so aggravated.

Talk about rage. That is an experience.

I have these fabulous plastic tumblers, and I was so mad. I took one of them I looked around and I’m like that because I’ve been wanting to get rid of them. Anyway, so I took it, heaved it across and it cracked. And I was great now it can go in the trash, but that was a two-fer right there. But we don’t give ourselves permission to recognize the little insults, mental, emotional, spiritual, insults that happen all day long that we don’t give ourselves permission to recognize or feel so at some point I recommend that people do a ritual where at the end of every day or every like the middle of the week sit and be mindful about all of those little insults that have happened and give yourself permission to feel whatever you feel about them. Doing that is going to allow you when bigger losses take place to be more present in the moment. And more fluid so that you can grieve and participate and be present kind of all at the same time.

Be mindful of the insults that you get. Give yourself permission to feel whatever you feel about them. This way, when bigger losses take place, you are more fluid to grieve and be present at the same time. Share on X

Having said that, ritual is my way of practicing that thing I seek to attain. And an end of life celebration is when you plan it yourself, it’s your opportunity to share with people. Everyone has a certain image of you, but this is your opportunity to show them the you that you would like everybody to be left with. And it also gives people permission to be who they are and where they are at in the way that they need to right, funerals are not just to be sad. You know we have this thing that funerals are sad and then memorials are, there is a little more leeway there, but then there is an end of life celebration and then you can really be yourself. Right, but they’re all the same. So You know, you decide, you know, if you have never sat down and written your own eulogy mmm. That is something else right? Because then you can really see how you think of yourself? But how you think other people see you. And it can be confronting. It can be enjoyable. But it’s a great learning technique to recognize your mortality and recognize your end of life celebration is the ritual that you plan for other people.

I can relate to it because we were talking about it. I just planned an end-of-life celebration for myself and the first line that I want my son to read to everyone who will gather is, Yay. I graduated! And I use it as an opportunity to thank different people in my life and to tell them what they really meant to me and some of them I cannot say it now while we are all alive. So again, it’s giving me the vehicle, it is not about getting in the last word. It’s about saying what you need to say from your heart that they can’t necessarily hear now, but you want them to hear it at that time and how they contributed to your graduation.

When a person’s heart is breaking, it is also the most open it will be. That is how we graduate to new levels of thinking, comprehending, understanding, receiving energy, love.


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Why is it important to empower ourselves to heal in this lifetime? We’re talking about tons of lifetimes. Why should people listening to this interview with you think about, gee I got some issues and all I am not going to let them go on and on maybe I have to address them now?

Well, because no matter who you are living on the planet right now. It is very disempowering. Meaning if you watch the news like there is so much conflict and all of it that exists is based in our own inner resistance. to Seeing the lightness. and the magic and the power that we are as human beings and then expressing that through caring for ourselves and others and caring for the planet and caring for the beings, the other creatures that live on the planet and caring for the water.

This thing in the United States with all the colonialism, and what is this illusion that there is not enough for everyone. We have a lot of things to reorder here. The one place that you are going to have all the control is yourself, your heart, your healing. So, start with any small little task. Pick something for the year. And then work at it. You do not have to set a big goal. Just pick a theme, pick a theme of the year. And then work that theme. Do little things and accomplish them. Every step that empowers you and the stronger you feel the more powerful you will be in your group of people. They are going to see you and that’s your story, Irene.

That’s absolutely my story, and it’s about becoming a role model to other people. Because if I had not done my healing, I would not be here talking to you today. I would still be bogged down with all those issues. I am an example of transformative grief and speaking about that. Tell us about your workshops. You have mentoring programs. You have energy dynamics for both the novice for self-healing and the professional practitioner. I think you also have an offer for our Grief and Rebirth podcast audience today. Tell us all about it.

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Tell me, Tracee, how does living a grief-filled life bring us joy? Because that almost sounds like a non-sequitur.

Everyone knows when you have really had a good wailing session, crying, grieving, there is a peace that comes down and it takes you over and it allows you in this profound calm to see things as they are or the way they could be for you. If you do X, you gain these profound insights because you’re relaxed, and second you have let go of all of the anguish and you’re shifting your brain. So when you allow that you know that that peace that comes I think is the precursor to joy. Joy is a way that we relate to things. It’s not something that we get when we’re happy. We can be miserable and be joyful. They can go hand in hand, right? We can still be curious about life. Good things can still happen, even though you have experienced an enormous loss. Learning to embrace both worlds simultaneously is the skill set I think that we are talking about teaching our culture today how to embrace that skill set and still love and enjoy life despite our losses, using our losses to propel us forward.



That’s beautiful. Tracee, there is a very powerful quote from your wise and insightful book, Transformative Grief: An Ancient Ritual of Healing for Modern Times that I would like to share with our Grief and Rebirth podcast audience. “Empowering yourself to heal is giving yourself permission to find out everything there is to know about you and your spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical self. It is analyzing any self-pity. You have to reveal what you must learn to do on your own. It is surrendering your feelings of isolation from a world you believe is against you and making your suffering unbearable. This frees you from your own self-criticism.

Remember, you are like water. Even the largest mountains can be worn down in places to let the water pass. All situations have a remedy to their obstacle if you will stay focused on it by empowering yourself to heal.” Thank you, Tracee, for the many ways you help people achieve deep healing and for empowering them to create the success and peace they seek in their lives. I thank you from my heart for this remarkable interview with you today that has surely inspired healing and transformation in many lives. Make sure to follow us and like us on social at @IreneSWeinberg on Instagram, Facebook, and wherever you get your podcasts, especially YouTube. As I like to say, to be continued. Thank you, Tracee. Many blessings.

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About Tracee Dunblazier

Grief and Rebirth: Finding the Joy in Life | Tracee Dunblazier | Transformative GriefTracee Dunblazier, GC-C, a Los Angeles-based empath, shaman, and 22-time award-winning author, has spent decades living an alchemical life using Transformative Grief as a guide. She was born multi-spirited, with a profound innate awareness of the spirit world and deep compassion for all who hurt.

Tracee’s down-to-Earth style embraces the humor of reality and has helped thousands to find radical acceptance, empowerment, and joy in their lives, no matter where they begin. Her national and international award-winning GoTracee Publishing creates spiritual tools that have become game-changers for those who suffer.

Tracee is a charismatic keynote speaker and enjoys podcasting from her CHAT-Cast platform and currently serves as president of the Coalition of Visionary Resources, the trade organization for the Mind, Body, Spirit industry.



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