GAR 78 | WINKS From Heaven

Susan Wysoki is the Author of a powerful, inspiring new book called WINKS from Heaven and a Transformation Life Coach for grief groups and individuals touched by loss, especially parents who have lost children.

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR ABOUT THINGS LIKE:

  • How Spirit saved her father’s life during the Holocaust when he was 12 years old.
  • The heartbreaking story of Susan’s 18 – year old daughter Jessica’s death from stage 4 Colon Cancer.
  • The undeniable and uplifting ways Jessica has proven to Susan that she is on the Other Side, aware of everything going on in her family members’ lives.
  • The heavenly story about how Susan connected with the famous author Mitch Albom, who wrote the books Tuesdays With Morrie, The 5 People You Meet in Heaven and more.

SOME QUESTIONS IRENE ASKS SUSAN:

  • What led you to become a transformation life coach who helps people find hope out of heartbreak?
  • What are some of the dramatic winks from Heaven you’ve received and continue to receive, from Jessica?
  • Do you have an inspiring story about someone whose grief has been transformed by working with you?

 

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Susan Wysoki: Author And Transformation Life Coach For Grief Groups And Individuals Touched By Loss, Especially Parents Who Have Lost Children

 

 

 

 

 

Our guest is coming to us from Richmond, Virginia. During this chaotic time, we’re all weathering together, Be sure to stay mindful and focused on those important positive things you can control, like being loving and kind to everyone, including yourself. Remember to be grateful for the blessings in your life. Our very special guest is Susan Wysoki, who is the author of a powerful, inspiring new book called WINKS from Heaven. When we chatted before scheduling Susan’s interview, I was mesmerized by her incredible story and also impressed to learn that Susan is a Transformation Life Coach for grief groups and individuals touched by loss, especially parents who have lost children.

Susan has impressive writing chops. She was a scriptwriter for CNN’s Bernard Shaw and Inside Politics. She’s held editorial positions with Vanity Fair and Vogue, and she’s been published in well-known magazines such as Glamour, Vanity Fair, and Psychology Today. Her well-written, compelling book, WINKS from Heaven, shares the heartbreaking story of her eighteen-year-old daughter Jessica’s death from stage four colon cancer. As devastating as that was, the book is also uplifting because it details the many undeniable ways Jessica has shown Susan that she is on the other side, aware of everything going on in her family members’ lives. Love truly never dies.

Meet Susan Wysoki. This is surely going to be an inspiring, insightful interview filled with emphatic proof of survival on the other side. Susan, it is truly my pleasure to welcome you to our show. Let’s begin our interview with this question. Your unusually enlightened parents opened your mind and heart to spirituality. Please tell us about that hand on your father’s shoulder during the Holocaust and your beautiful mother’s work as a psychic surgeon.

First of all, thank you so much, Irene. It’s a pleasure to be here. I’m so honored to be speaking to you and to your audience. My father’s story is an incredible story. He was twelve years old when the Nazis invaded Poland in his town, and he and his parents and three sisters were rounded up and taken to concentration camps. As soon as they were along their walk being rounded up, his father was actually walking very slowly, carrying all of their possessions on his back. There was a Nazi tank following behind him.

There were Nazi commanders yelling at my grandfather to move faster, macht schnell, and he didn’t understand the commands or the yelling that came with them. The Nazis, in a fit of rage and probably retaliation, sped up the tank and murdered my grandfather in front of my father and the rest of his family and ordered him to take care of the body on the spot or he would be next. He just had a few minutes to throw a few handfuls of dirt on his father’s body.

How old was he at the time?

Twelve. That was his first loss within minutes of being rounded up and moving. When they got to the camps, they immediately started separating the men from the women and the children, and they rounded up all of the children and told everyone that they would be going to Switzerland where they would be safe and well cared for and they would get them out of the war zone. Everyone was very relieved to hear this.

As they were waiting, my father said he felt this hand on his shoulder, a very heavy hand, and he looked up instinctively and there was no one there. What this hand, this presence really said to him and screamed at his psyche was that he needed to run. He did. He broke away from this group of children. He ran, he hid among all of the people, and there was just a lot of chaos.

He got caught immediately. A Nazi commander found him and smacked a cat o’ nine tails across his face, just splitting his face open, ordering him back to the children again the second time. It happened again, the hand on his shoulder. He said the weight was as heavy as the Jolly Green Giant, but again, no one was there. He said he knew he had to run a second time instinctively and that if he was caught, he would be killed. He did run a second time, and mercifully he was not caught. He was able to survive that incident. Unfortunately, all of the other children were sent to the gas chambers.

I wonder if that hand on his shoulder wasn’t his father.

It very well could have been. You asked about my mother. We joked that her feet barely touched the ground. She was an angel on earth. She started her career as a model, and she wasn’t necessarily a spiritual person per se. At one point during my childhood, my family owned a hotel along the San Antonio River Walk. There was a group of guests visiting from the Philippines, and the famous psychic healer, Tony Agpaoa, was one of the people there. They just zeroed in on my mom. Energetically they knew she was a healer.

From that point forward, my mother started working with them, and she traveled for years to the Philippines, to Mexico, and worked with thousands of people. I went through so many letters from people that she helped. If I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn’t have believed it because there were surgeries without any scalpels and no sutures or stitches, just invoking prayer and divine guidance. She helped so many people.

I’ve interviewed people who have those kinds of gifts, and it’s really amazing. It’s an energetic healing that they can do that comes into the body. What a blessing. Just incredible. Could you please share your heartbreaking story about Jessica from the time you found out that she had cancer to the day she transitioned to the other side?

I’d be happy to. It is heartbreaking, but what I also tell people is how can the most gut-wrenching, heartbreaking, soul-shattering event in my life also be the most amazing, beautiful, and transformative event in my life.

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I can relate to that because I had that when I lost my husband.

How can they be the same? How can we reconcile that? As far as Jessica’s story had started, she had just turned seventeen and was a junior in high school, perfectly happy, healthy, played three club sports, tennis, basketball, and soccer, and swam competitively. She was a great, healthy kid. A few weeks before Christmas, she was getting ready to take an anatomy exam. She literally had spiked a fever the week before, 101. At this point, she spiked a fever of 104 the following week. We took her to the pediatrician, and they palpated and thought she might have appendicitis.

They sent us to the pediatric emergency room, where they did a CT scan, and they found an eight-centimeter tumor wrapped completely around her colon, which is the size of a regulation baseball. She was right at the cusp of stage four at the time of her diagnosis. She was rushed into surgery within 24 hours. They took out almost 2 feet of her colon and 16 lymph nodes. She was, at that point, literally almost stage four. Her journey was seventeen months from diagnosis to her death. She died the day after what should have been her high school graduation on May 20th, 2018.

The way you talk about the book, about her incredible spirit and more than the earthbound, almost heavenly higher view of what was happening to her and how she dealt with things. It’s just such a fascinating part of the story. She was very special.

It was so inspiring, not only to me but to everyone that she touched. She never expressed an ounce of fear about death. She said, “Mom, I’m not afraid of dying. I’m afraid of suffering and then dying. I’m so glad that I’m the one that got this cancer and not anyone else in the family because you all wouldn’t be able to handle it.” She was absolutely right. It was like the worst kind of lottery you can imagine for someone who’s seventeen to have stage four colon cancer. That should not happen.

What a very special soul. As people read your book, they will relate more and more to that special soul like Jessica. What inspired you to actually write the story and what are some of the dramatic winks from heaven that you’ve received and continue to receive from Jessica?

What inspired me to write the book, frankly, was the fact that the communication was just absolutely overwhelming. It was so compelling, and it was so constant, amazing and beautiful that it screamed to be written about. I know she was with me. I literally started the book the weekend of her birthday. It only took me a few months to finish it because it was almost a channeled experience. A few of the stories that I think are incredible. We met incredible angels. I call them everyday angels along the way, whom I think prepared me and the rest of our family for losing Jessica, at least in the physical sense. I feel like we just got this incredible comfort from people. The first person I met was this incredible guy. In Texas, we would say he rode hard and put up wet.

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WINKS from Heaven

One morning on a break from the hospital, we had been told that Jessica was not going to make it, so we knew what we were facing. I rushed in to grab a cup of coffee and bumped into this gentleman, and I did not know him. He immediately said, “How are you doing this morning?”  I almost looked around to see if he was talking to someone else, but I didn’t know him. He was paint splattered and had calloused hands and was wearing a knit cap and it was way past winter. I was a little bit surprised. He proceeded to ask me how I was doing. I honestly said, “I’m not great. My daughter’s in the hospital.”

He said, “I’m so sorry. What’s her name?” I said, “Jessica.” He said, “My daughter’s name is Jessica.” He started to tell me about his daughter. I immediately said, “That’s great, but they’re telling us my Jessica isn’t going to make it.” I told someone if that conversation were a chess game, I had just moved the queen. What do you say to someone who tells you their child is dying? He was taken aback and he said, “I’m so sorry. Just know she’s going to a better place.” I said, “I want to believe that. I do believe that, but I’m just having a really hard time with that right now.”

I went to sit down and he comes up and says, “I’m going to tell you a story because I think it’ll help you. I grew up in San Antonio, Texas.” I said, “I grew up in San Antonio, Texas.” He said, “I went to John Marshall High School,” and I said, “We played you in football. We were competing high schools.” He said, “When I was in high school, I lost my best friend in the world, David, to a motorcycle accident. He was riding my motorcycle when he was thrown off the bike and killed instantly. I could not get past this. I went on for years and just could not get past it and I struggled with it. In college, I took my pickup truck and went out West. One night I was sleeping out under the stars, and I dreamed of David, but I know it wasn’t a dream. It was like there was this hand that moved this dark starry curtain to one side.”

“I said, ‘Where are you?’ David shared, ‘You’ve got to stop this. You’ve got to move on. You’ve got to get past this. Me and Moto are up here giving them hell.’” Moto was another friend of his from high school who was apparently up in heaven hanging out with David. He said before he knew it when he said, “Where are you?” and he asked that pivotal question, David said, “Do you want to see?” Literally, Ken said, “Yes.”  The curtain moved to one side, and he was literally plucked from his truck. He said the next thing he knew, he was flying. They were going through time and space.

He asked about a mutual friend who was in college, and they went, and at that moment, they saw him in that instant, red solo cup in hand at a frat party with all of his friends joking and laughing as if they were voyeurs in his life at that moment. He asked about an old girlfriend, and the next thing he knew, they were on the beach watching her at that moment in her life.

Before he knew it, he came back and was plucked back into his truck. David said, “I’m not going to be able to do this again, but I just want you to know that when it’s your time, we’ll be here waiting for you.” He said, “I know that wasn’t a dream.” I said, “I know it’s not a dream too.” That story brought me so much comfort in that moment.

What a blessing. It brings your chills just to think about it. That was an angel.

I called him Ken Angel. I put him in my phone that day, and I called him Ken Angel, and in the book, I refer to him as Angel Number One. He texted me a few months later for the very first time, and it was the day that Jessica died, and no one had told him. He just knew.

That goes also to show that you never judge the book by its cover because you never know about people and who they’re and how they can help you. Let’s have one other amazing story just before we move on. I have to tell our audience to read this book and the examples of the divine intervention and the stories are amazing. Do you want to give us one more?

I’d be happy to. One of my favorite stories is the fact that I got a Mother’s Day card from Jessica and I got it the year after she passed. She passed in May of 2018 so this was in May of 2019. I was out with my son for Mother’s Day, and we were standing in line for brunch. I get a phone call from a friend who I’d gone to college with. I had not talked to her in over a year. She knew Jessica had died, but we hadn’t talked. She asked me point blank, the first thing out of her mouth, “Were you in Philadelphia yesterday?” I said, “No. Why?” She said, “My daughter Amanda sent me this.” It was my daughter’s artwork.

What’s significant about that is that her daughter found this, and it’s my daughter’s full name, Jessica Joseph, my married name, surrounded by hearts. Her daughter saw this in a place in Philadelphia, in the middle of the Schuylkill River that’s called Graffiti Pier. It’s closed to the public. You get a police citation if you even go out there. Her daughter had been there the day before with a group of friends just because they wanted to check out the street art. In this sprawling, abandoned place that’s covered with graffiti for probably miles, her daughter finds Jessica’s artwork. It’s untouched, uncovered, and hasn’t been sprayed over, and it was her full name surrounded by hearts.

It just made me know without any doubt that she was with me and sending me love on Mother’s Day, and for that to happen in another city in an abandoned place. Her grandparents lived in Philadelphia, so she would’ve done this at some point previously, but she wanted us to find that, and it was found, and I got that message on Mother’s Day.

She found a vehicle. She found someone who was going to deliver, which I’ve experienced. I’ve been to people’s vehicles simply because I don’t even know them necessarily, but I have some kind of a peripheral acquaintance with them or whatever, and I’m open. They’re giving me the message to deliver exactly what happened.

Exactly at the right moment. Exactly when you need it.

They know. You’ve got two other amazing inspiring stories that I would like you to share with our audience about an anesthesiologist and this one is knockout, the tattoo, and the bone dress.

The first story I’ll tell you was when we had gone to Pittsburgh and we had been told that surgery was the only possible option to help Jessica. She literally underwent something called HIPEC surgery, which is heated intraperitoneal chemo. They debulk all of the visible cancer they can find, and they pour hot chemotherapy into the peritoneal cavity to try to do a lavage of the organ. It’s literally the mother of all surgeries. It’s 12 to 14 hours of surgery. They close the patient back up after they pour the hot chemotherapy into the abdominal cavity, and they roll them on the table. It’s literally called shake and bake.

It is the most aggressive surgery known, but this was our last hope. We took Jessica to Pittsburgh for the surgery, and we got a call about six hours into the surgery that they were not able to finish. They had debulked about 99% of her cancer, but they said it was the 1% that would kill her. They said that if they took out everything they needed to take out, she’d be like a Barbie doll cut in half. They would not do that to Jessica.

That’s all the information we had. Literally, they weren’t able to finish. They did all they could. Backtrack a little bit. as a single parent, I wasn’t sure where I was going to be staying during her whole surgery and the recovery, whether she’d even want me to be in the recovery room with her or stay. We were looking at least 4 or 6, maybe 8 weeks of recovery.

I thought, as a single parent, where am I going to stay for six weeks in Pittsburgh, a place that I don’t know at all? I got a call from a friend from Richmond who is plugged into the Dalai Lama and Pema Chodron. She’s got a great connection. She said, “We’ve got to find you a place.” Within half an hour, she called me back and she had found a place with a friend she had taught day school in Baltimore with who lived in Pittsburgh. She had a friend who had a neighbor whose mother had just moved into assisted living, and they had a fully furnished basement apartment. They said, “Susie can come to pick up a key this afternoon, come and go as much as she likes, stay as long as she likes.” It was two blocks from the hospital. That in and of itself is a blessing.

Talk about heaven sent. They were busy over there.

That wasn’t the best part of the story. The best part of the story is that the anesthesiologist that was in the operating room with Jessica just happened to be very good friends with the family that I was staying with. I maybe only put my head on the pillow twice the entire time that I stayed there, but I was in the hospital most of the time. He felt compelled to call them. He said, “I just want her mother to know. Jessica asked such intelligent questions.”

My daughter wanted to be a surgeon since she was five years old. She asked such terrific questions in the pre-op, but we’re all trained to have the suit of armor on as doctors. I can tell you that no one in that operating room had a suit of armor on. He said, “I’ve worked with the main surgeon, Dr. Bartlett, for fifteen years. I’ve seen him do thousands of surgeries. I’ve never seen him do this, but he wouldn’t leave her.” It was so comforting for me to know that this whole team of doctors and nurses really cared for Jessica.

A lot of difference that makes. Everybody wants to be seen when they’re healthy.

How this anesthesiologist knew who I was, or that I was even staying with his friends, or that I was Jessica’s mother, or how he connected all of those dots, I will never have any idea. It was an amazing gift to get that message from someone to know that she was so well cared for. I got the same message about two weeks after her service with a tattooed lady in a bone dress. I had friends that had invited me out for a luncheon, and I had no interest in going to do anything. As you probably remember, you don’t want to socialize. You don’t even want to get out of bed.

You curl up inside. You’re cooked.

I had no interest in socializing whatsoever. They said, “Come on, let’s go. It’ll be good. You need to get out.” I went to this luncheon and it was about twenty people. It was this huge long farm table, and maybe 10 of the people I knew, and 10 of them I didn’t know. This woman walked in. It was very hard to miss her.

For our audience who are not seeing this, her right arm is covered with tattoos and is very robust. It’s like a flashback to the 1950s or something.

She looks like she could have stepped out of Mad Men. It’s a black dress that’s covered in femurs and skulls and all kinds of bones with cat eyeglasses and a big boofy hairdo and she’s covered in tattoos. She was really screaming, “Pay attention to me.”

Another case of a person you’re looking at and you’re drawing all these conclusions and so here comes your story.

She’s sitting on the opposite end of the table, and I’m chit-chatting on the other side, making small talk, and I really didn’t want to be there. Out of the corner of my ear, I hear someone ask her, “What do you do?” She said, “I’m an embalmer.” My ears perked up a little bit. I heard the follow-up question, “What funeral home?” It was the same funeral home where my daughter had been taken. She answered Bliley’s, which is where my daughter had been taken. My head spins around and I whip out my phone like a crazy woman, and I’m reaching across the table, “Excuse me. By any chance, did you happen to take care of this young lady?” I had a picture of Jessica on my phone, and she stopped for a moment and she swallowed.

She said, “As a matter of fact, I did. This is really awkward because I’m the only person there that does what I do. I get little babies that fall into swimming pools, and I hold those babies and I carry them. When your daughter came into us, we just looked at each other and said, ‘What the?’” I said, “I know, right?” She said, “She was so beautiful, and she fought so hard.” This woman was literally the last person on this Earth to touch Jessica. She knew every scar on her body. She was this beautiful enigma to her. She didn’t know anything about what had happened to her, how she passed.

She saw all the scars from all the surgeries and all of the things that Jessica had gone through. She said, “She was beautiful and fought so hard.” She proceeded to show me that she had this incredible tattoo on one arm of a birdcage. It’s an empty birdcage, and it symbolized her freedom that the bird had flown. That was very symbolic. She had a beautiful blue lotus flower on her other arm.

You would never look at a person like that and think she was so spiritual.

The fact that she had this mix of spirituality and science and had the strength to do that kind of work was just inspiring because of what she has to see on a daily basis. I’ve never met anyone in the funeral arts. For me to connect with the person who took care of my daughter two weeks after. When we left the luncheon, I hugged her for way too long, as long as she would let me. I could tell she was visibly uncomfortable because she didn’t want to overwhelm me. I kept trying to assure her that I was just thrilled to meet her. It was an honor.

She actually is your closure.

There was the license plate right next to us on the curb in front of the restaurant. It said, “Awesome.” That was what Jessica was telling me. It was like she was saying, “Yes, Mom, you got the message.” She connected all of these dots to make sure that I knew she was well cared for.

It’s amazing. Those are the things, though, that really provide you tremendous comfort. My husband Saul died next to me. As our audience knows, I was in a tragic car accident. My husband died next to me, and an incredible life transition coach literally saved my life. She helped me work through my grief. She created a new life for myself. I can remember how hard I cried with what I went through, but she was absolutely wonderful, and you do that.

Your life is individuals and groups as a transformation life coach helps people find hope out of their heartbreak. Susan, could you tell us about your journey to also become a transformation life coach and how that has led to your work with grieving people? I am sure there are people tuning in to us who are going, “I’m going through this. Maybe this is the person who can help me.”

Literally, I think just the transformation that I experienced, getting so much comfort and knowing from Jessica that she was okay. Knowing how unnatural it is for a parent to lose a child, it’s just simply not supposed to happen. It goes against nature. There are so many parents who are stuck in that grief. Not just parents, but a lot of people get stuck in grief. For parents in particular because it is such an unnatural thing. We aren’t supposed to bury our children. I try to work with parents. What motivated me is the comfort that I had gotten from Jessica.

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WINKS From Heaven: Knowing how unnatural it is for a parent to lose a child, it’s just simply not supposed to happen. It goes against nature. There are so many parents who are stuck in that grief.

I try to work with parents to help them understand that if the roles were reversed and they had gone to heaven before their child the way it’s supposed to be, they would be looking down on their child and they would wish that their child would have a joyous, happy and loving life. They would want them only to find joy and happiness. They’d want them to live and embrace life. They wouldn’t want them to be stuck in grief. I try to help them understand that that’s exactly what their child wants for them. It’s the same dynamic. I tell people love may be the answer, but loss poses the questions.

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When we say that we’ve lost our child or we’ve lost a loved one like your husband, what we’re really saying is that we are lost because our world has been turned completely upside down. That’s what I try to help people understand. It’s a process, but we can also make the decision. It’s a conscious choice whether we’re going to stay in that grief and we’re going to let the external forces in our world push us to stay in that grief or whether we’re going to state the intention to move out of that grief and use that as a stepping stone to embrace life.

You’re a perfect person to work through that pain because they can cry and they can have their feelings and you understand. Do you also send some of them on to a medium if they’re open to communicating with their child?

Absolutely. The biggest lesson I’ve learned from all of this, in addition to the fact that love never dies, is that it’s all energy. There’s no difference between an ice cube going to water, going to vapor. It’s the same principle. Our loved ones are with us always. It’s a shift in energy. I try to help people understand that they are not gone, they are not lost, and they are not dead. They are happy, healthy and thriving. It’s just that we are here to continue the work until we’re reunited again.

They wouldn’t want you to not be happy. A lot of times, there are things that you can do to help other people and move forward. You’re not supposed to stay static, but it’s a choice. If they need help, someone like you is perfect to help them move. “I needed help for someone to keep prodding me to move forward until I could really do it on my own.” At the end of this interview, I’m going to ask you for your contact information. There may be people reading who would like to get in touch with you. In that vein, do you happen to have an inspiring story about someone whose grief was transformed by working with you?

There are several people that I’ve worked with, but one in particular, a woman who, about a year after Jessica passed, her son stepped in front of a train in the Netherlands. She had been on the phone with him the night before. She didn’t have any inclination that he was clinically depressed. She had seen him pretty recently. She was so despondent, and we worked through the same exercises. What I try to work with in terms of a grief framework for parents and other people that I work with is the idea of love, the love framework.

I don’t know if you’re familiar with this concept. There are 86,400 seconds in every single day. Every single one of those seconds is an opportunity for us to love and it’s a choice. Every second is a choice to love. I talk about the love process, to love the memories, to be open to grief, to really let it flow through you, not to let it be a block, to value the gifts that you have from your loved one, and to embrace life. That’s the E. That’s one of the things that I use as a framework because we have to have the intention that we’ll never move on from grief. It will always be there, but we can move forward with intention and embrace life.

To work with you, I can already see that you’re very grounded and very loving. You would provide a safe place for people to let it hang out, to work through their stuff. Speaking of heavenly, you’ve got a heavenly story about connecting with the famous Mitch Albom, who wrote Tuesdays with Morrie, The Five People You Meet in Heaven, and other well-known books. What was that? There’s a spiritual component to that too.

It’s another one of those winks from heaven. The morning that I finished the manuscript for WINKS from Heaven, I saw in our local paper that Mitch Albom was going to be speaking at a local women’s club in town. I immediately knew that I had to get a ticket to go see him that evening. I also immediately knew I needed to give him a gift of the manuscript I had just finished. Knowing how famous he is, I thought, “I can’t simply hand him this manuscript.” If I even wrap the manuscript like a bowling ball, you still know it’s a manuscript. Before his talk, I went to pick up a gift shop and I picked up, for whatever reason, a pink sparkly Disney princess bag. I filled it with tissue paper, and I found a beautiful sympathy card.

I mentioned that I did not think that it was a coincidence that he was speaking on the same day as I had finished this manuscript. The reason he was in town was to talk about the loss of his daughter, Chika, whom he adopted from Haiti. She was seven years old and had a brain tumor, and they brought her to the United States. Another synchronicity. I mentioned on the card that we shared the same loss. We both lost our daughters to cancer. I was expressing my sympathy to him. I tucked that into the bag along with the manuscript under all of this pink frilly tissue paper into this pink sparkly Disney princess bag. When I went to the talk, of course, I wanted him to sign a book, but his talk was beautiful. He’s a wonderful speaker.

He shared Chika’s journey, how they brought her to the United States, and her treatment. The very last slide that they showed was of him and his wife at Disneyland with Chika, because all she wanted before she died was to see her favorite Disney princesses. Here I was, handing him the manuscript in this bag, holding this pink sparkly Disney princess bag. The cherry on top was that it was her birthday the night he was speaking in Richmond. It was like a birthday present for Chika. He was very gracious, and he was a wonderful person. He gave me the best hug, and he was so wonderful to me and a terrific speaker. I hope that was a nice gift for Chika and for him.

Have you heard from him since?

No, I have not heard from him. I know he’s working on another book that actually he’s doing during COVID. I’ve actually spoken to the person that’s his manager, but he’s writing a daily journal about being in quarantine. He’s in the process of writing another book now.

That’ll be interesting too. Now that you’ve been through so much and you’re also a transformation life coach, what would you like to share with our audience about the importance of healing in this lifetime? We’re going to cross over. We’re assuming we’re coming back. Why now? Why should you go through the courage it takes, face down your stuff like that, and try to help?

We’re all here for a reason. As Ram Dass said, “We’re all just walking each other home.” Each of us is here for a sacred purpose. I believe that purpose is healing, helping and loving each other, to be of service and to love each other. I think we can get stuck in that place of grief, or we can make the choice to heal and live our lives with intention. I think that that’s the most important thing to really understand that it’s all energy and we are here for a reason, and we want to squeeze the juice out of life as much as we can. Our loved ones who have left before us, they’re not gone, would want that for us, just as we would want that for them.

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They’re often on the other side healing along with us because they’re witnessing what’s going on. They know exactly what’s going on. Everyone now wants to buy WINKS from Heaven. They want to find out how to use your services as a transformation life coach and connect with you. Susan, how do they get ahold of you? Where do they buy the book?

All you need to do is go to www.WinksFromHeaven.net. If they want to find me for coaching, they can go to www.GoodGriefCounseling.net.

What is your tip for finding joy in life? All things you’ve been through, but you have found joy.

I have. I think just knowing that I’m here to fulfill a purpose, that’s what brings me joy. Knowing that every day that I wake up, I have an opportunity to do that. I have 86,400 opportunities to do that every day. That’s what I remember, and I know that that’s what Jessica would want for me, and that’s what I would want for her.

You’re helping a lot of people. I can say from my own experience, that brings a lot of joy. It will make a loving difference in people’s lives.

I wish I didn’t have to be pushed off a cliff of grief to find that purpose, but that’s what it was.

Susan, thank you so much for joining me. I have truly learned so much from both chatting with you and reading your wonderful book, and I have no doubt that this is the beginning of a lovely personal connection between us. Make sure to follow us and like us on social at @IreneSWeinberg on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. As I like to say, and our audience is used to my saying this, to be continued. Many blessings and bye for now.

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