How does trance mediumship provide a unique way for the grieving to connect with lost loved ones, offer solace and facilitate healing? Psychic/Medium and deep trance medium Sunny Burgess, who was born in the United Kingdom and emigrated to Australia, is both an evidential medium and a trance medium whose passion is helping people move through grief. In this transformative interview, Irene and Sunny discuss Sunny’s early encounters with spirits, how the spirit world and intuition prevented his death on two separate occasions, how grief can be moved through with mediumship readings, the role of our souls and how this relates to our loved ones or pets in the spirit world, the importance of prayer, and much more! You’ll gain many new insights during this wonderful interview with the compassionate and highly gifted Sunny!
IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR ABOUT THINGS LIKE:
- Sunny’s early encounters with spirits as a child.
- How the spirit world and Sunny’s intuition prevented his death on two separate occasions.
- How grief relates to the physical aspects of a person’s life.
- Ways grief can be moved through mediumship readings.
- Why cultivating kind thoughts while we are alive benefits our astral body.
- What healing has to do with the importance of prayer.
SOME QUESTIONS IRENE ASKS SUNNY:
- What led to your decision to travel as a street performer, and how did that help you to understand your sensitivity?
- Can the everyday person who is not a medium access guidance from the spirit realm?
- If you’ve lived your life as a loving and kind person, are you going to be attracted to a different plane when you transition than someone who’s lived their life as a very hurtful, negative, and selfish person?
- How is trance mediumship different from evidential mediumship?
- What does healing have to do with the importance of prayer?
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Sunny Burgess: How Does Trance Mediumship Address Grief and Spiritual Unfoldment?
Introduction
All I can say is wow. I just interviewed Sunny Burgess. He’s an experiential and trance medium. I tell you, he was even a street performer at one point in his life. He talks about how mediumship readings move people through grief. How the spirit world and intuition prevented his death on two different occasions.
How our souls relate to our loved ones and pets in the spirit world. What happens to them when they are called over into the spirit world? What happens to us when we go over into the spirit world? He also explains how that is, and so much more. Read this interview and become transformed. You will enjoy it. Join us. Many blessings.
I’m speaking to you from my studio in West Orange, New Jersey, and I could not be more delighted to have the pleasure of interviewing Sunny Burgess, a psychic medium and deep trance medium who was born in the United Kingdom. He became involved in spiritualism, worked as a demonstrating medium at England Spiritualist National Union Churches, and immigrated to Australia in 1993. By the way, everyone, you have to pay special attention because Sunny is speaking to us from Australia.
He’s so wonderful. He’s gotten up and staying awake for us. It’s very special and I’m grateful to him. In Australia, Sunny, who majored in Counseling, earned a Bachelor of Education degree with first class Honors, and he is also engaged in PhD research. As an evidential medium whose passion is helping people move through grief, Sunny has developed an impressively large client base of over 2,000 people. He also addresses areas of grief and spiritual unfoldment in his work as a trance medium.
Also, he has authored several books. His latest is titled Explore Your Soul’s Purpose Through Trance and Inspirational Control. Speaking of the soul’s purpose, here we both are with our soul purposes doing this. By the way, during Sunny’s early adult life, he traveled the world for ten years as a musical street performer. I’m sure that in itself is a fascinating story.
I’m looking forward to asking Sunny about the impact his early encounters with spirits had on him. How the spirit world and intuition prevented his death on two separate occasions. How grief can be moved through with mediumship readings, the role of our souls, and how this relates to our loved ones or pets in the spirit world. Trance mediumship, the importance of prayer, and much more for what is surely going to be a transformative interview with many new insights for all of us. Sunny, a warm welcome to the show.
Thank you. It’s lovely to be here.
Early Encounters with Spirits
It’s lovely to have you and thank you for getting up for all of us to do this in Australia at 3:00 AM. It’s so wonderful of you to do this for us. Thank you. I like everyone to get to know you from the beginning because as a kid, as a little guy, you had early encounters with spirits and you also experienced these hand tremors. I’m curious about what all that was about and what your family’s reaction was to all these occurrences because I know in a lot of situations, families shut it down or they accept or they work with it. What was your experience?
Thanks, Irene, for having me. I grew up in the early 1960s and lived in a very old Victorian house with a big oak tree outside. The house had a history. Lots of people had died there. As a little boy, I remember a 4 or 5-year-old, I used to see spirits at the end of my bed. It made me very nervous going to sleep. And I developed this tremor. At the time when I was five years old, my grandfather was an epileptic. He had major fits, the petit mals, and the small pits. They thought possibly I was epileptic. I remember going with my mother to Manchester to see a doctor, and they put an electroencephalograph. It’s like a space helmet to test for epilepsy because of these hand tremors.
I always remember it was with a moon landing at the time when the first man landed on the moon. I wouldn’t go under the helmet. I was terrified but the doctor said, “If you jump onto this helmet, then you’re going to go to the moon.” Straight away, I just jumped under it. I had the test and I wasn’t epileptic, but the shaking I think is because of what I was seeing. I was seeing the spirits. I used to see an old lady. She stood at the top of my bed. I used to often get lots of physical presence. They used to push me. When I was lying, they used to tap my shoulder. It was a little bit intimidating and nerve-wracking.
My grandmother was a medium and they accepted it in the family so they understood but then the visitation. I even had to move a room. I think I slept with my dad for quite a few years after my sister was born until I was about 8 or 9, I think as an age. It had such an impact on me and then I just grew out of it. I then started sleepwalking. I was a chronic sleepwalker.
That was also another thing that came in my teenage years and from early childhood as well. From the age of 4 or 5, I have been a chronic sleepwalker and sleep talker. I never knew until I read Allan Kardec’s book. He was the forerunner of Spiritism. He explained that deep trance mediums had somnambulism, which is sleepwalking, or somniloquism which is talking in your sleep. These are precursors to deep trance mediumship and I never knew that.
You are born with these amazing gifts. It’s so amazing. Do the spirits sense that you can see them? The rest of us who do not see them like that, is it that they come to us but we just don’t have the ability to see them, or they know that you’ve got the gift and they hone in on you? Do you know?
There are two ways of looking at it. I think spirits that are there and that are in the room can see it but I think often we see the spirits through the inner plane. We see it through the solar plexus, which is the chakra or the inner body. We see it through our soul and the soul is like a camera. The soul snaps the image and then the camera, the brain of the soul, which has its own mind, is like a camera. It snaps the image of the spirit and then it transfers it over to the physical brain.
The physical brain is the negative and that develops it. If you have the link at that moment where the thought coming from your spirit brain onto the negative of your physical brain is so strong, you see it objectively. That’s why I believe animals, cats, and dogs, look up and they see spirits in the room. The spirit’s not in the room.
They’re in the inner plane, which is the spirit world, but the soul of the dog or the cat is seeing the spirit in its spirit brain and then transferring the image from the spirit brain over to the physical brain, which acts as a negative like a camera film. It develops that image in the moment. I think if it’s in the moment without any discernment or mind thinking, “Am I making this up or am I imagining it?” If you feel it, it becomes objectified. It’s an objective experience.
I’ve also been told that the soul is housed in the solar plexus. Is that true, Sunny? Is that your experience?
I believe that we have chakras. We have windows of the soul. We call them windows of the soul and they’re fields of consciousness that open to the soul. However, one thing I wanted to say as well is people would lose people and there is extreme grief. Often wives, like yourself, your experienced losing their husbands, or people have lost their partners in their beds. Sometimes they feel their partner’s arms come over them while they’re sleeping.
Now what this is, I explain to people. This is the soul, not of the person on the bed next to your physical body but it’s the spirit putting the arm around the soul body and the soul body, the senses of the soul because the soul has its own brain has such a strong thought form that then that translates over to the physical brain. The physical brain objectifies it. It’s objectified. Even when you look at hypnotism, people can be hypnotized because I’ve seen this before.
The hypnotizer raises his hand behind the person who’s hypnotized lying down and then the patient on the bed who’s totally unaware of hypnotized will raise their hand simultaneously. There is a magnetic sympathy that happens on this level. A lot happens on the inner level, which we will talk about.
The soul or that spirit that’s around us has an intention of putting his or her arm around you and that translates to that your body processes that as a physical feeling, right?
That’s right. The soul is to say we are a spirit with a body, not a body with a spirit or the spirit’s soul. There are different words that we ascribe, but this is exactly what it is.
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Street Performer Experience
Now, I want to ask you another question because this is fascinating to me. You spent ten years traveling as a street performer. What was all that about and how did that work with your sensitivity and what motivated you to lead that life? You must have been very young when you were doing that.
I was young. I went through being so sensitive with quite a few struggles within my own mind as a teenager.
That must have been scary.
That’s right and we had a hereditary brain cancer. All my family died of this brain cancer. My grandmother, my aunties, and my uncles. I had a 50/50 chance of having it. It’s called Huntington’s chorea. I had a 50/50 chance of developing this brain cancer when I was nineteen. You develop it when you’re 45 because all my family has died from it. It was an inherited genetic condition. I had a lot of depression. It quite depressed me when I was nineteen.
I went to the Middle East. I lived there. I married a girl in the Middle East, in Israel, and had experiences over there where I had to do military service. That was quite difficult back in the early ’80s because that was the Lebanese war. I saw things that were quite disturbing and then when that finished, that part of my life or the marriage finished, I went traveling. I always enjoyed music. My dad used to sing opera and I took two musical performances.
However, it was all very enmeshed in my mystical roots with the singing. I used to follow the religious festivals in Italy. I used to follow all the Italian festivals and I used to sing at the markets. I used to meditate in the churches and had lots of experiences. One, I could recount Catania in Piazza Duomo, which is the main cathedral in Catania. There were the old crypts underneath the altar, the stone cellars. I used to go there in the early morning to pray and meditate. All the nuns used to sing and it was just the most wonderful energy. The experiences that I had were wonderful.
You were still receiving messages. You hadn’t officially started your mediumship, right?
That’s right. I went way before in the 1970s with my nana. I used to attend spiritualist churches and then I developed and did little bits in between traveling and then going back to the UK but it was pretty solid. I think at one stage or two years that I was in Italy, I was pretty much on the road. That’s why I live close to nature. Every night I slept on the beach.
Are there no cold nights?
Not in Sicily. I was in the South of Italy. Sicily’s quite warm and very nomadic but I enjoyed the presence and the closeness to spirits. I had lots of mystical experiences and beautiful experiences with the spirit world because I love being in churches praying and meditating, but also close to the ocean. The different places where I traveled, it was very magnetically pure. I used to talk to my guides at night and I did crystal pendulum dowsing. I used to ask them if it was safe to sleep here.
When I did the religious festivals going up to a place called Bari in Toronto, there was a lot of heroin in the city so I had to choose places and sleep because I was always under the star. I enjoyed it like that. I had a lot of indigenous spirits, but I enjoyed that part of my life anyway. This is going back many years and that part of my life was something that was very sacred.
It was so fulfilling for you. They say it like it’s a beautiful transitional time that led you to what you’re doing now. What motivated you to lead that life?
I came to Australia and landed in Australia, by law, you cannot sleep on a beach. Europe is different. Europe’s a free place. Australia has a lot of laws and is very regulated. I was 30 at the time.
It was time to get a roof over your head.
Psychologically, I had to make the adjustment. I remember once when I performed in a place called Reggio Calabria. There was a very rich family that wanted me to sing at their house at a huge supper with the casas and a four-poster bed. They put me up. It was a beautiful place but at 3:00 in the morning, I couldn’t sleep because I had to have the stars over my head. I went out in the garden and had my sleeping bag all the time and slept under the tree. They woke up in the morning and they thought it was very peculiar. They said, “What was wrong with the house?”
Intuition and Preventing Death
Let me ask you this also was it during this time or another time you say that the spirit world and your intuition prevented your death on two separate occasions?
The first occasion was when I was in Israel. I wasn’t doing my military conscription at that particular point but I was on the Lebanese border overlooking Lebanon. I think it was my day off. It was a safe zone where we were, even though it was a militarized zone. That place was right on the coast but it’s a safer region other than being closer to Qiryat Shemona, which wasn’t a very, very safe region. It’s like an enclave between Syria and Lebanon. I was walking the border looking into the Lebanon. I had such Deja vu that I’d lived there before.
I came across a hole in the ground. This hole had a 15 meters rusty metal ladder and it was some hole that was dug by the Zionists when they settled in 1948. They are the early pioneers. Something just made me climb down the metal or a voice told me, “You’ve got to climb down this metal ladder. You’ve got to get to the bottom of this hole and stay there.”
I was fearful. I knew something bad was going to happen, but the hairs on the back of my head and neck were standing on. Anyway, I came down this ladder and it was old and rusty, and it was almost coming off the wall as I was climbing down and got to the foot of this cave this whole thing. I can’t describe it any differently. I waited there. There I must’ve been like half an hour and then somehow I felt, “Get a grip of yourself. Time to go up.”
I went up. Well and behold, maybe a couple of hours later, I went back to where I was stationed and I heard that there were 3 or 4 terrorists armed to the teeth with Kalashnikov rocket launchers and machine guns. The vantage point from there is you could see a kilometer either way so they would’ve seen me and literally, I would’ve been history. That was very humbling and it traumatized me a little bit when I thought about it. The other experience I had was when I worked in Corsica. I was in the South of France. In between the music period, I had some work in working with horses.
You’re such a multifaceted young man.
I worked as a stable boy for a year in Corsica. At that time, I worked in orange orchards. I had to clear the orchards in Corsica and the orange trees had these brambles over the top of them that were 2 or 3 meters high. It’s like Sleeping Beauty, the fairy tale where the prince had to slush all the thorns and trees. It was this real labor. It was six weeks it took me to clear all the trees. I put mounds of the brambles two meters high and piled them all up. I had to burn them. I went to the shed to what I thought were methylated spirits. I dowsed it. I chucked it all over. I splashed it all over me.
I was about to light the match and there was a little Moroccan guy called Primo. He was one of the janitors of the golf course. He must have been 100 meters away at least and I saw him waving his hands. I thought, “Let me like this match.” He came running over and literally at the speed of light, he launched himself. I could see him charging towards me and literally jumping on me. He yelled at me in French. He was screaming at me and swearing at me. I dropped the matches.
He pointed out that it was petrol that I dowsed over the brambles. The cruel irony is I think it was five weeks before some friends of the farmer because it was a farmer’s property, teenage boys of the farmer’s daughter had done the same thing and they’d all been burnt alive. This guy was 100 meters away. How could he have known?
Grief and Mediumship Readings
It was an angelic message or whatever. You had more to do. They wanted to keep you going. It reminds me of my accident because when they pulled me out of the car and I was trying to jump up into the air, I heard, “He’s not going to make it. You are,” and there was more for me to do. There was more for you to do. I know that you talk about how grief relates to the physical aspects of a person’s life, such as relationships, jobs, and health. It can be moved through with mediumship readings, which I am a huge advocate for because mediumship readings helped me so much after my husband passed in that car accident. Could you explain to people, please, how it relates to the physical aspects of a person’s life and how mediumship readings help?
Part of the readings I do, as a grief aspect, is the mediumship reading and then I do the psychic where you blend the soul of the person that you’re reading for. A lot is like what’s called reading the aura. It has an emotional aura, which is a reflection of the subconscious or what the person is feeling and going through.
The aura, just for people to understand, is an energy over us that people like you can see. It speaks to you what is about that person because auras are different for each person.
The aura is a cloud. It’s an electromagnetic field, and it’s around everyone. It extends but what’s not taught anymore or what was taught to me from some of the wartime mediums. How they taught it was we have three layers of the aura. We have an emotional aura which is the layer of relationships, our feelings, and our emotions. We then have a mental aura, which is the mind and then we have a spirit aura, which is the higher part.
If I’m reading for somebody and I see they have a darkness in their emotional aura, it could mean that they’re going through you divorce, lost their job, or separation. Their emotions are troubled but if they have a brightness in their mental aura, it means that their minds, their intellect is going to pull them through that situation.
That’s where you get the psychic prediction from because according to what color you see or the light of the color, then you can predict, “In six months’ time, you’re going to turn that corner,” because the mental aura is strong and bright. If I see people with darkness in their emotional aura, but their mental aura also is dark, then I try and encourage people so they can understand how they create their future.
I talk a lot about quantum fields, and this is in one of the books that I give away as a bundle of three. It’s called How We Attract Our Potential Future. It’s all about how our thoughts go through quantum fields and our thoughts go from our aura through this huge quantum field. If the quantum field is like a big circle, everybody’s aura is in this circle, in this aura. It’s all about getting your thoughts from your aura across the quantum to somebody else’s aura.
I always say, there are seven key areas of life, the future. There’s relationships, there’s property where you live, there’s your career, there’s health, there’s hobbies, there’s travel, and spirituality. I always say everybody on the planet has an issue with at least one of them or one area that they’re struggling with. If you’re struggling with an area, then you just need to have your thoughts going from your aura across. I say, if somebody’s going for a company job and there are 30 people going for the job, why does that person here get the job when 29 people don’t?
I say to people, “It’s because their thoughts have been long enough to go through the quantum to meet the auras of the interviewing panel.” This is always the night or the week before. This happens outside of physical time, but it’s about having long thoughts. I try and encourage people to look at their aura to help them see how they can lengthen their thoughts. Also, there are certain things where it’s meditation or affirmations.
Some people change their hair color, lose weight, or look at their health. Some people change a house or do things chewy. Some people go on holiday. That’s why often people who go on holidays and come back to your country, have a different electromagnetic field. That’s why people often fall pregnant. There are different factors that come in but this is how I look at the future because people grieve. We grieve for the physical parts of our life as well like losing a job, losing a relationship, or a house. I’ve seen it more.
I read the Tarots as well because the tarots link into those fields of consciousness. I’ve seen more now than many years ago, far more stress in society. In Australia, a lot is because they’re making a stock market out of property, which God never intended us to make a stock market out of your house. So many homeless people or people can’t afford mortgages and families are splitting up. That’s just an insight.
With what you said, how does all of that relate to the inner soul because you used the word the inner soul? You say that there’s a role for the inner soul and it relates to our loved ones or pets in the spirit world. Can you explain that to us, Sunny?
The book that I’ve written is a book on trance and inspirational control. The research looked a lot at the soul body like I talked about at the beginning with trance mediums, particularly in chapter five, and the old wartime trance mediums. How their spirit brain, their astral brain, the spirits used to talk to their soul, and then their soul used to transfer this over to their physical brain.
The inner body that we have, and I do believe that when we sleep at night and I say to people, the physics of our world is just like they say. It’s the cracks that enable the light to shine through or enable God’s light to shine through. I always say to people, that the spirit world is a world of electronic symmetry to this world.
I say to people, “Look at a spider and the beautiful webs it makes. Somebody with a degree in engineering couldn’t design a web to catch flies like that. I said, “This spider doesn’t have a brain,” and then I said to people, “Look at the bees that make the perfect hexagons, the consciousness of nature, and the chrysalis that comes out into the butterfly.
I believe God, the creative spirit, or consciousness, whatever word you want to describe it, this great mind that created all this, that it’s all about electronic symmetry. I say we have electrons in our world. We have the electrons. The occurrence of electricity moves electrons but they move the speed of light in our world, in your body, in the wall, and everything.
It’s the electrical currents around electrons like a force field that gives solidity to the wall of your body, but when you die, your spirit body, the electrons, and the currents of electricity around them are going fast. The electrical currents in our electrons are ten revolutions per second. In the spirit world, that’s like a million revolutions. The electrical currents are going so fast.
Is that because they’re not weighed down by the physical body?
What I’d say Irene is it has to do with the light. Everything is light. We have a frequency of light. I believe the spirit has a faster frequency, and light is God as we know, or spirit. It’s still the same physics. The electricity around their electrons or liferons as the yogis call. It is a lot in Hinduism and the metaphysics of Hinduism has described a lot.
If I move my hands a hundred times quicker, they disappear. That’s where they are in the spirit world but the physics of their body shares the same physics as their world. The spirit world is an electronic mirror. I go back to this symmetry. The spirit world is grass. It has soil, trees, rivers, lakes, birds, cats, and houses.
I’ve heard that a lot. When you cross over, it’s the whole thing like healing areas, educational areas, and all kinds of things. You have to have a life, but you just don’t have your body but you have all this stuff going on here.
Also, if you walk up to a tree, you can’t walk through the tree. Why? It’s because the electrons in the tree and your spirit body have those million revolutions per second as they do in your body. The electrons in the tree have the same light moving at their electrical currents as they do with the electrical currents in your spirit body. Everything then becomes solid.
That’s what I say to people but what I say now is I take this one step further and we’re a spirit with a body, not a body with a spirit. I say that when we sleep at night, Irene, the mind, which is not the brain, but the mind, which I say is your aura, your consciousness, your brain goes to sleep, but your mind leaves your brain and then goes into your spirit brain at nighttime when you sleep.
Then your spirit brain wakes up when you’re sleeping at night, and then your relatives or your dogs or your cats, can come up to you and they can interact with you on a physical level because the physics of your spirit body is then the same as the physics of the spirit body of your loved one in spirit. What I say, looking at this, I firmly believe that when we wake up, obviously the spirit brain goes to sleep before the physical brain wakes up so we don’t remember.
There’s no transference of consciousness but I say there’s still a residual memory in the aura. This memory that we have in the aura stays with us and I think this is the magical part of how everybody’s a medium to their own soul. This is the part now where I talk about guidance because when you go, you wake up the next morning, those conversations are still in the aura.
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It doesn’t happen every night, I don’t believe. It happens periodically. Your conversations with a loved one may have suggested things to you and then as you go throughout your daily life, these thoughts in your aura come down through your brain. Your brain is like coffee beans and these thoughts are like water. They percolate through the coffee beans of your brain and they drip down one drop at a time as inspirational thoughts or intuitive thoughts.
All of a sudden, you get a thought and it was given to you maybe the night before or two nights before.
Those thoughts are maybe, “Do this, do that. Go here, go there, try that.”
That’s happened to me.
You get phasey, but as long as it’s a good phase, as long as it’s been kind, like you say, and doing good in the world but this is my belief and my experiences. A lot of the research was about the trance mediumship of the old pioneers and Gladys Osborne talked particularly about how when she was in the deep trance, spirits talked to her spirit brain. The spirit brain was like a camera and then a physical brain developed like a negative from the camera for the image of the spirit or the conversation. What I’m saying now is I’m taking this one step further and I’m applying it to the sleep state and how we are guided.
Just for people to understand. When we cross over, our loved ones are all around us. It’s not like they’re going to some heavy cloud. They’re all around us and they have these communities and everything, which is magnetically created as opposed to we live in the physical manifestation of it. Am I correct?
Yes.
Etheric and Astral Bodies
That’s great for people to know. You also talk about the etheric and the astral bodies. Also, the different layers, the aura, and all of that. You also talk about how it’s important to cultivate time and thoughts while we’re alive that it benefits our astral body. Can you explain that to people? It’s not for nothing. They pulled me out of the car and I got to be loving and kind to everyone. There must have been some kind of a higher reason for me to be told that, right?
Yes, Irene. I always say the soul is like a balloon or the astral body and kindness is the helium that enables that balloon to rise. I described it in a metaphor. The spirit guide once showed it to me in that way. I say to people, the idea that we have a spirit body, I say to people, our superannuation for heaven is our ability to love or to be kind to people.
What it does, I feel like the spiritual atom is about unification. It was the self-seeking thoughts. If we do things with a self-seeking motive, then that is about what’s called separation. It’s the antithesis of unification. When our consciousness is trying to help, to give, or to serve, then we are vibrating the spiritual atom. As we vibrate the spiritual atom, we’re creating more light or consciousness.
It’s not only for us but for everyone. It’s for the collective.
That’s right. We are increasing the light and vibration because the spiritual atom vibrates to kindness. Love is unification. Love is an energy that pushes the mind out whilst fear is an energy that contracts the mind inwards with the two polarities or opposing forces that we have.
If you’ve lived your life as a loving and kind person, are you going to be attracted to a different plane than someone who’s lived their life as a very hurtful, negative, and selfish person?
To simplify it, they say, “You’ve got the dark regions of spirit.” The people who are the psychopaths. The spirits say for them to ascend, and higher spirits do go down to try and help them. They do clairvoyance and readings on them to try and read their lives to try and get emotion out of them so they can cry. However, for someone like Hitler, to cry a tear of remorse for killing the Jews, it’s inconceivable so they do tend to stay there for a long time.
It’s not hell, but it’s their hell that they create for themselves in a way.
It’s dark. It’s their hell. It is hell. Also, you’ve got the other spheres where it’s like a grayness. I guess the Catholics would say the purgatorial zones. It’s gray and misty. These are I’d say the selfish, worship money, greedy, and self-centered. It’s gray. Their trees, rivers, and their houses are gray. They also see Mrs. Jones, the cleaning lady in the colorful field, and they say, “Why is Mrs. Jones there when she was just the cleaning lady and we paid more taxes than she did,” and all this, that, and the other. She was kind and they weren’t.
I do believe they evolved. I do believe everybody gets there, but they learn. A lot of the experience of spirits that have spoken to me in readings, have come back and said, “We now pray people in the grace spheres can come through that have regrets.” They do it for the spirits to allow them to come through for their own healing. I tell their relatives to say, “They’re sending guidance to your son or daughter,” and they’re quite shocked. Why do they send that? There was an alcoholic or they were abusive. I say, “They’re doing it because nobody will ever know they’re doing it.” That’s how they’re growing spiritually.
It’s their way of healing.
What we don’t realize, Irene, is that we don’t have a monopoly on prayer. The spirit will probably do more praying than we do.
Wonderful Stories
When you cross over, when you transition, they’re not as interested in how much money you made as how much kindness and how much love you lived. I know you also have, because you have such a following, and I can see why. You have a wonderful story about a man whose nineteen-year-old son hung himself in an alcohol-induced rage after they’d had an argument and how this reading turned his life around. Can you tell that story and how that would’ve affected him in that gray area? When he got that reading that must have elevated him in some way. It was healing. Could you tell us that story, Sunny, please?
His son had a huge argument with him. He had a lot of alcohol then went away and hung himself. His son was nineteen. The father came as a total skeptic. I’d never met him. I didn’t know anything about him.
Why did he come for a reading with you if he was a total skeptic?
It’s always word of mouth. It’s what is called concatenations. Its chains of events are set into motion. It’s a lady from a lady from a lady that I read for. I’ve probably been one of the hardest-working private readers in the world. You have overdone it on public work and private reading. I’ve worked for twenty years. Most mediums don’t do private readings. They do public or they teach because it’s incredibly hard doing that. People will get a name. They stop doing private readings. They just do shows or they teach. You are at the coalface with private readings. You’re in the room. The face is very intense.
It’s painful too.
When you do public readings, you can give a message and then move on to the next person in the audience. That’s why they all do it but when you’re private, you’ve got someone’s emotions but I love doing it. The man who came wanted four signs including the name of a tattoo that he had. He was covered up by different names.
Now, he’s going to demand what you’re supposed to get through your head.
He was nice though. He was in a state of grief. He was an open skeptic, which is the best type and it worked wonderfully. His son came through. I gave him the signs, the names, the name on the tattoo, and the code name he wanted to hear. I gave him the 4 or 5 pieces of evidence at the end of the reading. He says, “I brought the electrical tape and I brought the pipe and I was going to go home and gas myself.” That’s what he was going to do.
That stopped him and then further down the track, he became a grief counselor himself. I’d like to think if there’s one soul, but I’m one of these mediums though. I don’t go thinking I’ve helped people. I’ve never done that. I’m talking about this story, but I have no idea. I always feel like I’ve not helped anyone but I think that’s something with the approach of life. It’s very easy to become self-seeking and self-cherishing. Mediums often live in very intense internal worlds where it’s all about me.
I have experienced that. Some people do not want their talk.
Also, to have kindness is a huge thing. I’ve not always experienced a lot of kindness amongst mediums, but one of my kindest friends is James Van Praagh. He’s been a wonderful light in my life. He came into my life and life and changed so much for me. People know him in America.
James and Kellee White interviewed me for his Facebook show. I also released his interview on the show. He is wonderful. It is surprising how humble and modest he is. He is not at all connected to his ego with this work.
He came to my house in Brisbane with Kellee. She came along and I did a trance seance for James and Kellee.
It must have been amazing. It was wonderful. It was beautiful to see such a humble and kind person.
I was very impressed with that with him. With what’s going on with this show, I try to be mindful also. This is not at all about me. I’m a bridge. I’m a messenger and I’m honored. This appears to be helping people and I’m very humbled and honored to be a vehicle for that just like you. You also have a great story. What would you like to tell us about that story?
I used to do a trance rating in survival evidence. I’ve worked to develop a trance for years now sitting every week in circles for the development of trance. I developed the ability to bring survival evidence through an Irish priest who was the control. I saw a bit of an Irish accent when I brought the evidence. One of the readings I could see on the website was for a man called Warren who died in a car crash on a motorbike. I think when the accident happened, he was left by the side of the road for twelve hours. He was in a very lonely place in the middle of nowhere. The message was to bring to his mother that he didn’t suffer. He died instantly just to bring that comfort. That was done in a trunk.
Trance Mediumship
Let’s talk about trance mediumship, Sunny because people don’t understand. Many mediums bring forth evidence that your deceased loved one has survived. They’re just minus their body. They’re on the other side. What is the difference between that and when you go into trance mediumship, why did you work so hard to develop that ability? Does trance mediumship address grief and spiritual unfoldment in a different way than the usual type of mediumship?
My interest in spiritualism is I’ve always been interested in history. The book that I’ve written, Trance and Inspirational Control has more to do with the pioneers. It’s not relevant in the world so much anymore. It was done a lot during the war years when the trance mediumship was phenomenal.
Which war was years used that?
In the World War I and World War II. In those transitional periods, there was a place called the London Spiritualist Alliance in Queensberry Terrace in South Kensington. Also, the College of Psychic Studies, I think it’s called now, all trance mediums used to work there. Their control was they used to slip in and out of trance so easily. They used to start off doing psychic readings, and then they used to slip into a trance and bring all the evidence. These were for the soldiers who died or people or widows. That aspect of trance, I feel, is more for that era. Now, I focus on trance trying to develop physical mediumship and developing as a physical medium, which is developing ectoplasm and working with energy.
Now, you have to define ectoplasm for people. I know what that is, but a lot of people do not know what that is.
Ectoplasm is an etheric discharge. We have two bodies. We have the astral and the etheric. The etheric body is the aura because if you define the aura, the aura is an electromagnetic field, which is woven. It’s strands of electromagnetic energy interwoven with etheric particles. That is the aura in a nutshell. It’s strands of electromagnetic energy crisscrossing interwoven with etheric particles.
When the aura expands some people have more etheric particles. The etheric particles are the ectoplasm. When that aura expands, remember the aura is around all the organs. It’s not just around the body. When the aura comes out, the etheric particles are being loosened or they’re discharged and when it builds up to a thickness, it can be a white mist and that’s the ectoplasm.
There’s a physiological side, but the ectoplasm in its essence is part of the aura or the electromagnetic field. The etheric double is the same thing. It is the body that when we die, the etheric double disintegrates. The etheric double as we say, is the electromagnetic field, and trance mediums or physical mediums have etheric doubles that can come out of their body very easily. Most people’s etheric doubles stay very tight in their bodies. That’s the difference. The astral body is something completely different.
You go into this trance and you’re channeling your priest and is this ectoplasm coming out of you from what you’re channeling?
No, that’s different. When I’m channeling the priest, that’s a mental trance but the ectoplasm is a physical trance. The two sort of work together. The reason I’m developing the mental trance is because I’m developing the physical trance at the same time. It is two forms of trance and they tend to develop a tangent with each other so the physical trance can develop quickly and then the mental trance catches up or the mental trance can develop and then the physical trance catches up.
I don’t do it as much anymore as I used to do because it was more for developing the mental trance. The purpose of doing this was to develop my physical trance to sit for the development. Something would be sat for years and still was sitting. John Sloan, whose mediumship brought the Arthur Findlay College. Arthur Findlay used to sit with him. It took him twenty years before he developed the ectoplasm, and he was one of the finest mediums. It takes a long time.
It’s a work in progress, to say the least. Sunny, let’s talk about your books. Your latest book is titled Explore Your Soul’s Purpose Through Trance and Inspirational Control. It’s a premier guidebook for those who wish to develop the gift of trance mediumship. What would you like our audience to know about this book and any others that you’ve written?
The book is called Trance and Inspirational Control. Again, people will find it inspirational because of all that I’ve talked about tonight about the inner soul and how we are mediums to our own souls particularly when we sleep at night and our intuition. That’s what intuition is. It’s allowing the soul to imprint the mind with a thought.
That doesn’t always have to happen when we sleep at night. That can happen in the daytime when we are using our intuition. We’re becoming a medium for ourselves. That’s a big aspect of the book that I do feel will help people to understand this. The other aspect of the book is development too, which anybody interested in trance development, it’s a whole blueprint for the second part of the book. It’s very comprehensively written on how to develop trance.
Would you like to say anything about the other books that you’ve also written?
The other book Perception and the other is about mediumship and how it works. Just in a nutshell, it talks about the chakras and then there are some case studies of very famous mediums. Helen Hughes is one where I looked at their readings. The third book is How We Attract Our Potential Future, which I talked about at the beginning with the quantum fields and the circle with their thoughts. It’s making long thoughts and bringing change into your life.
I want you to let everybody know now that they’re totally in love with you, would you like to tell everyone about all the things you do, your mediumship readings, your psychic readings, and your color analysis, which is very interesting. Someone can get ahold of you just for color analysis and interpretation of their aura that provides a lens into future outcomes regarding their health, their life conditions, and spirituality. Is there anything else you’d like us to know about your work, Sunny, which is so wonderful?
Thank you, Irene. I’d love people to connect with my books as well. There’s a lot of knowledge on that and a lot that I think people will connect with.
You have a special offer for our audience that has to do with your books, don’t you?
It was $25, but I think it’s $20 now. I’ve pulled it down even further. I’ve thrown in the state knives as well. That’s three books for $20. There’s a book on Trance and Inspirational Control that took me thirteen years to write. It’s a literature review of 160 rare books on spiritualism. It’s done in AP- style, American Psychiatric Association proper academic references, but easy to read. That’s 160 books many of them are out of print but all are fully referenced and quoted. I’d recommend them say go and buy them, but I’m biased, I’m sure there’s a lot that’s in them. It’s thirteen years of work.
I know you’re booked forever. If someone wants a mediumship reading with you, do they go on a waitlist or a psychic reading?
The wait list at the moment is 2,500 people which is about 2 or 3 years at the moment. I think the reading Lady this week, I think it was February 2022, she’d called her name. It is a lot of word of mouth I think.
I can see why.
I am very committed. It is been my life passion and I’ve given it everything. I’ve not ventured out so much into teaching. I used to teach and I love doing public, but for some reason, my whole focus has been helping people with grief who’ve lost loved ones, and then helping people who are grieving for life situations and trying to give knowledge or a different way of looking at things, I guess.
If someone signs up, they’re going to wait to have this amazing session with you. In that session, do they get mediumship plus psychic, plus a color analysis or those are three separate things?
I tend to combine them so I tend to make it a blend with a spirit. In the second half of the reading, I look at their aura. I read a lot with color. I always loved color and tarot as well. I love the tarot journey with the color as well but that is how I read. I want to try and take my trance mediumship more out into the world, whether I do that on the internet or something. That’s where my passion and that’s philosophy in trance as well. It’s not just all survival evidence. It’s philosophy and talking about the spirit world or philosophical, scientific views of the spirit world. Sometimes, the spirits talk about scientific things and that’s where my real passion is.
Maybe we’ll do an event like that on the show. We’ll have to talk about that. Also, let’s say someone comes to you and they’re having a lot of problems with a person in their lives. Through a psychic reading, you can probably advise them, tell them where that person is at, or fear will advise them through you as to their best strategy or move with that person.
That’s right. I’ve had this same set of tarots now for fifteen years, and the energy in them is phenomenal. Every card I pick, the story jumps out. If there are people who have energies around somebody else that are not too benevolent, that’s a little bit challenging or testy. They bring advice and direction.
I think if everybody has a reading, they just want to know the idea of being read but what’s being read probably is your soul. Everybody wants to know they’re not alone. That one soul gets their soul, as I say. I look at it. It’s an intimate thing and people like to feel they’re not lonely or people like to think that somebody else gets them or understands them. It’s a good reading.
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I’ll bet you get a lot of, “Do you see love in my life,” and all that kind of thing.
All of that and the above. I explain to people destiny and future. Destiny I say is when you’re born and when you die. Destiny is your children, your grandchildren, and a migration of spirits but the future is not destiny. Future’s the seven key areas, as I explained, the property, work, relationships, health, hobbies, travel, and spirituality. The seven key areas are all about thought, mental aura, consciousness, and creating future outcomes. There’s a free will.
We have a choice.
It’s guiding people to their potential.
Healing, Prayer, & Finding Joy
Sunny, what does healing have to do with the importance of prayer and why is it important for people to heal while they’re in this body in this lifetime?
I would say that the idea of the slothfulness and soulfulness. Slothfulness is when we are not reaching our potential. We’re not being active enough or trying enough, and then sorrowful is when we feel sorry. We dwell more on ourselves. I feel like opening ourselves to prayer, lighting a candle, and talking. I feel the talking to spirit, trying to bare the soul to look at those el elements of sorrowfulness or slothfulness that we all have.
I think it’s about humility. Prayer is trying to be humble. It’s trying to say that we all have imperfections. It’s trying to open those imperfections and talking with a candlelit or talking. We can hear the divine spirit listening to us. All those who tune into us and listen. I think it’s that raw honesty in prayer that the soul can be open so that we can find that peace. I use that as a prelude to healing. Once you open your soul, then you can be a medium for healing, doing absent healing, or sending healing.
be a medium for healing
Once you’re healing, you are contributing your higher vibration to the collective also.
That’s right. I think the idea of the prayer is decluttering. We are trying to find humility to understand the self. I think we all need to save ourselves. I always got that message in Christianity where Jesus said, “I’m going to save you.” I was always very affronted by that. It always annoyed me. As I got older, I started to realize that there is truth in it because we all do need saving from ourselves because we are all being human. We all have these flaws.
We come into these bodies and then we’re presented with all these situations. It’s very much easier over there.
We do and it’s hard to see the big picture. Life is very hard no matter who we are. It’s like Paramahansa Yogananda. Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. The work has to be done.
What is the Sunny Burgess tip for finding joy?
I love coming back to prayer, and in my little eBook at the end, the back section is all about, I feel praying and I love doing absent healing. I always pray. I like to work myself personally through the Christ spirit. I’m a spiritualist by faith, but I do have a lot of feeling in that power and that love that comes through to send absent healing to people who I know who are sick. I feel that brings incredible peace.
I think whenever we do pray for somebody else and we spend that time visualizing, perhaps just sending a white light to their soul and asking that they be given healing. Particularly before retiring, I always say that the secret to joy is to go to sleep with love in your heart and to try and wake up with love in your heart. That’s why I do it before bed because I think if you can have love in your heart when you go to sleep and before you wake up, that’s the most joyful.
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Not only love, but for me also gratitude. I often think about how much I’m grateful for, and that brings me a lot of joy.
Gratitude is a great word, Irene. I came through blood cancer. I was very sick. I had lymphoma. I had six months of chemo. Although the chemo didn’t touch me because of the power of the spirit, it was a wonderful opportunity to connect on Facebook with a lymphoma group to see all the people and their struggles. I thought this was fantastic getting this sickness because now I’ve got access to all these people I can send absent healing to. It was a wonderful experience.
We’re glad you’re here. You’ve made it through a lot and here you still are helping so many people. It’s wonderful, Sunny.
Thank you, Irene. It’s been beautiful to talk to you.
Thank you. In closing, I want to share this important quote from your book, Explore Your Soul’s Purpose through Trance and Inspirational Control. The quote says, “Spiritual growth characterizes the ability to interact with higher and kinder thoughts while alive on earth. The mind is propelled out of its physical body and expands into a wider field upon death. We are cultivating kind thoughts while alive, which compares to pumping the astral body with increasingly more significant amounts of spiritual helium.” I love the way you put that, Sunny.
“At the point of death, it lifts each soul into more beautifully breathtaking landscapes of peace and beauty.” Thank you, Sunny, for the important work that you are doing as a bridge between this realm and the afterlife. I want to thank you from my heart for being a bridge to enlightenment for so many in our audience.
Thank you for the bridge that’s you because, without your bridge, I wouldn’t have a bridge to cross to talk to you.
Thank you. As I like to say, to be continued. Heartfelt thanks to you, Sunny. Many blessings, everyone.
Thank you so much.
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About Sunny Burgess
I was born in the UK in the early 1960’s, and involved in spiritualism since the late 1970’s. I have worked as a demonstrating medium at SNU churches from 1988 in the Manchester area. After emigrating to Australia in 1993, i have worked as a public medium, focusing on private readings over a 30 year period, where i have developed a large client base (over 2000 people) enlisted for sittings. My passion as an evidential medium is helping people move through grief. I also work as a trance medium and combine many of these philosophical teachings with my private sittings to address areas of grief and spiritual unfoldment. I hold a first class honours degree in education (majoring in counseling) and i have engaged in PhD research.“”Irene is a beautiful soul to connect with. The amount of research she put into the interview was wonderful and beyond anything I could have expected. Her in-depth knowledge and ability to draw understandings or points of meaningful insight out of the guest, while enabling them to feel relaxed, is a gift beyond measure. Thank you so much!”
