GAR Paige Lee | Transcending Grief

 

Paige Lee and Kat Baillie are the enlightened co-founders of the healing, soul-expanding Retreats and Workshops known as Transcending Grief. They have joined forces to help the grieving find their pathway out of the darkness of grief into the light, by combining their 30 years of collective experience in the world of spirit connection, grief education, and healing.

Through their Transcending Grief retreats and workshops, Paige and Kat enable people to find joy after experiencing the death of a loved one through what is called conscious healing, which combines connecting those who are grieving with their loved ones in Spirit, while also teaching them important tools and techniques that can support them on their grief journey.

Tune in to this special interview to learn the remarkable reasons Paige and Kat are so passionate about empowering people through difficult experiences, including grieving from a loss of any kind, and the wondrous ways they help people through their Transcending Grief Retreats and Workshops!

 

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR ABOUT THINGS LIKE:

● The firsthand experiences of grief Page and Kat have each lived through which have enhanced their deep level of understanding and compassion for those who are grieving.

● How Spirit brought Paige and Kat together and how they then joined forces to kickstart the Transcending Grief workshops.

● The healing techniques Paige and Kat use to help people on their grief journeys in their retreats and workshops.

● What it means to transcend grief through conscious healing.

● The Transcending Grief retreats and workshops Paige and Kat have planned for 2024.

 

SOME QUESTIONS IRENE ASKS PAIGE AND KAT:

● Paige, how was the passing of your son Bryan, and hearing him call out “Mom” with your ears – out loud – the catalyst for the grief work you are now doing?

● Kat, what are some of the many ways people can get into a state of connection with their deceased loved ones?

● What does it mean to transcend grief through conscious healing, and what does it mean to actively choose to heal?

● What is the most healing thing a person can do to help someone who has lost someone close to them?

 

Details on Paige and Kat’s retreat and workshop can be found here:

https://paigewlee.com/transcending-grief-2024i-am-soul-retreat/

https://paigewlee.com/exclusive-usui-holy-fire-iii-reiki-i-ii-healing-sound-vibrations-workshop/

 

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Facebook: @TranscendingGrief: https://www.facebook.com/TranscendingGrief

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Our Facebook private community hub: https://www.facebook.com/groups/transcendinggrief

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Paige Lee and Kat Baillie: What Can Bring Us Out of the Darkness of Grief Into the Light?

 

 

 

 

 

I hope this finds each of you very well. I could not be more delighted to have this opportunity to interview Paige Lee and Kat Baillie, who are the enlightened CoFounders of the healing soul expanding Retreats and workshops known as Transcending Grief. Paige and Kat have joined forces to help the grieving find their pathway out of the darkness of grief into the light by combining their many years of collective experience in the world of spirit connection, grief education and healing. Their credentials are impressive.

Paige is a Grief Educator, Life Coach, Spiritual Teacher, Crystal Energy Healer, Numerology Life Purpose Teacher, Reiki Master, Grief Movement Training Coach and the author of the best-selling book Choose To Believe: A Story of Miracles, Healing, And The Afterlife. Kat is a UK and international Psychic Medium, a spirit channel, a Clinical Hypnotherapist, a Reiki master, a sound healer, a Past Life Regressionist and a Connection Coach and Teacher.

Through their Transcending Grief retreats and workshops, Paige and Kat enable people to find joy after experiencing the death of a loved one through what is called Conscious Healing, which combines connecting those who are grieving with their loved ones and spirits while also teaching them important tools and techniques that can support them on their grief journey. Paige and Kat are passionate about empowering people through difficult experiences, including grieving from a loss of any kind.

 

GAR Paige Lee | Transcending Grief

 

I’m looking forward to talking with Paige, who lives in Idaho, and Kat, who lives in the UK, about the first-hand experience of grief. Each is known and lives through a spirit that brings them together. What it means to transcend grief through conscious healing, the healing techniques they use to help people on their brief journeys, their new retreats coming up in June 2024 and so much more for what is surely going to be and inspiring interview that has the potential to transform many lives.

Full disclosure, I’ve had the pleasure of interviewing Paige and Kat separately on the show. You can find out much more about each of these very special women by reading their prior healing insights build interviews. Paige and Kat, a warm welcome back to the show. Let’s begin with a question for Paige and then Kat about the first-hand experience of grief you’ve each known and lived through, which enhances your level of understanding and compassion for those who are grieving, which is leading to these Transcending Grief retreats and workshops. Tell us about you and your experience.

I have a very personal connection to grief and the ability to relate to our audience in such a big way because I have three babies in spirit who never took a breath. My only living child, Bryan, who is the light of my life, passed away at the age of 23 when he was murdered while attending school at USC. That’s a lot.

 

 

My parents are in spirit. All of my grandparents are in spirit. I have a dear friend who passed from an aneurysm many years ago while he was in the shower. If anybody understands that death can come for us at any moment, it’s me. It’s like, “How do you reconcile that? How do you find a way to move forward in your life so that you can still smile, be happy and live a joyful life?” That’s why I say I’m qualified to do the work that I do.

There are people who would be looking at you and reading here and saying, “Look at how poise she is and how she’s got it together.” That comes from a lot of healing, a lot of the things that you’ve done.

It’s a journey. I always say grief is a journey. It has been one foot in front of the other, 3 steps back, 4 more steps forward and 2 steps back. It’s been many years for me since my son passed away and longer for the babies. I’ve had time, but I was going to close with this. I’ll say it now because you led me to it. It’s what we do in our grief journey that will help us determine how we’re going to heal and when we’re going to heal. I always encourage people to explore and start building their spiritual toolbox, which is what I’ve done.

It is what you’ve done and what you’re providing people also with these workshops. Kat, your turn. Tell us about Kat.

I’m an Evidential Psychic Medium. I prefer to do mediumship work. I don’t tend to do psychic work. I tend to say I’ll do soul readings that offer guidance. My way in my journey to grief management or coaching is slightly different from Paige’s. I had an awakening after a diving accident. I started to experience things post that experience in the actual water and I became aware that there was an awareness with me that I wasn’t alone. Following a series of synchronicities, I started to have some quite magnificent experiences that delivered evidence that my loved ones were in spirit, particularly my grandfather, who was very close to me, as well as a broader scope of guides, helpers and workers of the spirit world.

It is with me and guiding me to situations. I followed a series of messages that I received to a town that I’d never been to before. I received evidential postcards of images of my family three generations back that we didn’t know existed. One of the messages, my grandfather gave me the name Sutcliffe. Coming from Yorkshire, it is quite a scary name because it’s the name of the serial attacker in that area or historically. I was very nervous when I got the name, but I discovered that the surname, which is a popular surname, is that of an amazing photographer, Francis Meadow Sutcliffe.

He was, fortunately, for me, the person who had taken photographs of my family three generations back and we were able to get these images. My sister had done the genealogy of the family, and we were able to put the photographs of each of the people that perhaps we would never have gotten to see and see the way that they lived. It was a magical family moment. It wasn’t an awakening for me, but I wasn’t born mediumistic. I was born very intuitive. I had experiences, but it was the loss of my grandfather, who I was extremely close to. I used to spend every holiday and weekend with him, that awakened this in me.

Some people say that when does the spiritual journey or when do signs start when you lose somebody? I waited eleven years. I had an interesting experience with my grandfather six weeks before he died. He burst out crying. I’d never seen him cry. He was a very macho man. He was a man who understood nature and the nature of things. He worked in nature all the time. He loved gardening. I always call him the Constant Gardener. In many ways, he was constantly gardening and sowing the seeds ready for my spiritual journey to begin because I didn’t know that at the time. I wasn’t spiritual when we had this conversation. One day, he burst out crying. In those tears, he said to me, “This is the last time I’m going to see you alive.” I said, “Don’t be so ridiculous.”

How old were you at this time?

I was 22 at the time. I was in Thailand for my university degree. I was about to go back for my final term. He basically burst out crying and said, “I’m not going to see you. I don’t want you to leave.” I said, “Don’t be so ridiculous.” I try to use my wicked sense of humor sometimes. I tried to make light of it and said, “Don’t be so ridiculous. You’re going to see me again. If the worst case happens, I want you to send me a sign. If the spirit world exists and there is an afterlife, I want you to come back and give me a sign. I promise you. I’ll come back a day early. You will definitely see me again.” That’s where the tragedy of the whole thing happens. I did come back a day early from university and he died the afternoon of the day before.

He was right.

The first query in my mind is, “How could that happen? How could he know? Where does this knowing come from?” He wasn’t a religious man. He had lost his faith when his father died connected to the war. Although he had been born into a faith, he wasn’t somebody that I’d ever seen go to church or talk religiously. Spirituality and my grandfather weren’t two things that I put together. It was an interesting thing.  After he passed, a few strange things happened, which I think some of the readers here will understand if they’ve lost love ones. I know Paige had some interesting synchronicities and signs from Bryan as well.

One of the first things that happened was the day on the run-up to the funeral, my dog, which was an Alsatian Labrador, not scared of many things, started barking profusely at the stairs. He was going wild. Straight away, I could feel and sense the spirit of my grandfather standing there on the stairs and the dog was frightened. I found that interesting. The day before we went to bury my grandfather, my mom, who was his daughter-in-law, was staying in the room behind the master room where my grandma was. We found out a few days before that my grandfather had been hiding that my grandma was on the first stages of Alzheimer’s.

She still had Lucid moments, but she was going in and out of different states of awareness. He managed to hide it quite well. We managed to get a doctor to assess and look at her. They confirmed that they thought she was in the first stages of Alzheimer’s. My mom stayed in the house with her the night before.

My mom was very skeptical about spiritual things at the time. She started to experience strange occurrences. She could hear my grandfather talking to my grandma in the room next door in the early hours of the morning, the night of the funeral. She saw lights in the bedroom. She claims that when she closed her eyes, the lights got brighter and she was almost holding on to the duvet and scared to get out of the bed like you are when you’re a kid.

The next day, my grandma, we probably wouldn’t have believed it because of the Alzheimer’s, but she went to my mom and said, “Did you see the lights? Did you see the orbs? Did you hear him? He came back to say what we’re burying is the bodysuit. It is the bodysuit and not the soul. The soul lives on and he’s okay.” I had this moment and it’s probably the arrogance of youth. I was like, “What do you mean grandfather came back and visited you? Surely, he would come back to visit me as well. Why did you all have this experience?”

It wasn’t a selfish thing. Of course, I wanted my grandma to have this healing and this moment. It was maybe the shock of him passing the way that he did. It was another incongruence that I was like, “This is a bit strange. What are they talking about?” I thought when you were dead, you were dead and you would buried. All these synchronicities that started to happen caused curiosites in my mind. I guess the next thing that would happen is I was waiting for that sign, but like many of the readers, I didn’t get one for many years.

In fact, it was eleven years later when he did send a huge sign and it started with a book falling off the shelf that had his name on it. As I left, I thought that was strange. The day that we were having Sunday lunch at a local gastro Club in London, I took a wrong turn onto a street and in an area that I knew well and the street had his name. As I looked up, I saw his name on the side of a building. I parked the car. I got out and something said, “Look down at the tile that you’re standing on,” and his nickname was on the tile that I was standing on. I was like, “Are you here?” However, nobody was there. I thought that was strange.

Did the diving accident happen after all of this?

Yeah. The synchronicity happened. I can’t recall whether this happened before or after, I’ll be honest. The diving accident happened and then this series of things took place. One of which was that I saw my grandfather told me back to go back to the farm he’d been brought up on, which I had never seen. He told me about the photographs and where to find them. I went to a town I had never been to.

Were you already taking a mediumship and all at this time? You had this natural ability but weren’t aware of it yet.

I don’t think it’s any different from anybody else’s experiences. The respect is what we call awakening. I did have some very dramatic events. I was going to all of them now, but some of them work while it metaphysical. They weren’t just my loved ones present. I saw my grandfather almost physically as I’m seeing or looking at you, but he’d been dead eleven years. When I went to the grave site where he told me to go before going to the farm, there was this big sign that the church was under construction. I wish I had taken a photograph of it because it was rare.

There are only maybe twelve houses in this village, and the sign said, “Please take the alternative path.” What they meant was the alternative path to church or the village. That was my first insight. What I thought to say to people is, “You don’t have to be more mediumistic to have a connection.” That’s the piece of work in the jigsaw room that Paige and I are doing. That is my little moment in that you can heal through connection from having that connection and maintaining that loving connection with your loved one in spirit. It is different from the physical. It won’t bring back the physical hugs and the amazement of having them in your physical life.

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Having them in your spiritual life can be absolutely transformative. That’s where my journey started and there’s a lot of training and qualifications that come on the back of it. I was a head of buying a fashion world. I hadn’t got an inkling of leaving my career. I was very happy and successful in what I was doing. I learned to follow as I opened up and understood and started to work with this situation and explore it, gain confidence in it and get training to support me in understanding how to, first of all, close it down and then open it up in a way that I could manage it and support it. I then started to realize that spirit was going to be a big part of my life. When they told me to leave my job, I took the leap of faith.

For all three of us, that’s a common theme that we’ve all done what we’re doing because we’ve taken the leaps of faith.

We’ve literally followed our intuition and what we’ve heard more guidance and then ended up in the situation. That’s a very similar situation to how Paige and I ended up working together as well on Transcending Grief, which started as a project but is becoming a a bigger thing.

I know you are going to help many people. Paige, it’s your turn. There’s a bunch of things I want to ask you. I know hearing Bryan call out, “Mom,” in your ears out loud was the catalyst for the grief work you are now doing. I know that you and Bryan now work together. You’re helping others to transcend this pain of your grief. I know Bryan has sent you lots of signs. Do you want to tell us your story?

I know we talked about this a lot on the first episode when you had me on when my book came out in 2020 or 2021.

They should go back to your episode and read more details, but this is what you’re part of who you are and what you’re doing.

They’re my favorite stories to tell like, “Everybody, gather around the campfire, I’ve got a story for you.” It did start three weeks after Bryan passed. We’re still in shock at that stage. I was laying on my bed awake, but in that space of not sleeping, but my mind wasn’t totally alert. I heard out loud with my ears. I jumped out of bed and I said, “Oh my gosh, Bryan.” I recognized his voice, although it was a little younger. I felt the voice seemed a little younger than his adult voice that I had heard three weeks prior, which had been the last time I saw him on August 24th. He passed on September 18, 2008.

It’s funny how those dates right are now ingrained in your memory. You know all about that. I jumped up from my bed and I said, “Bryan, where are you?” I waited. I didn’t hear anything further, but I knew that he still lived, and that was what I needed. I knew that he still lived in that moment of time. I was convinced that he was somewhere and I said out loud to him, “I don’t know where you are yet, but I will find you.”

That launched me on my entire journey, which is like what Kat was saying. It’s a great journey, but now in my work that I’m doing, it’s much more spiritually than grief-based because I can’t see the difference anymore. The grief journey has melded into the spiritual journey and it has become the journey. It’s been interesting as I have evolved, and the spirit is moving me, my work, and my own life. Incredible things are happening in 2024.

Maybe you’ll share that with us a little bit.

It is a lot of movement and a lot of exciting things, being open and being ready to receive, but it all depends on your personal year within the collective group here. I happen to be in the year of ‘22, which is the year of the master builder. I’m like, “I’m ready.” Spirits are taking care of everything, but back to the sign. I immediately went to the bookstore to search for books on the afterlife because I knew nothing. I wasn’t religious. I wasn’t spiritual in any way. I had this loose concept of heaven and that God was the creator of all things and everybody I knew who had passed and that was in heaven. That was about it. That’s all I knew. I didn’t have any basis for any of it within my belief system and my toolbox.

I went to the bookstore, and I kid you not, some books literally jumped off the shelf and landed on the floor at my feet. I bought them all and started reading. The first book that got my attention was George Anderson’s Lessons From The Light. I will always be grateful to him for writing that book. I could read Kat’s book now when she writes it, which she’s working on, which will also give me that same knowledge of, “There is evidence of the afterlife. People are writing about it and documenting it. There’s proof.” One thing led to another. We had to have a trial process with Bryan.

I had the support of many amazing people. My husband, family members, and Bryan’s friends in Los Angeles not only came to his funeral but also came to visit us in Idaho from Los Angeles. Eight of them piled into this little car and they came to visit us five times between crossing and the trial. They were all at the trial. We did get through that. Spirit wrote the most beautiful victim impact statement. That was my first experience with what I called channel or soul writing, where I knew the words didn’t come from me and how I wrote this beautiful testament of love and loss that I was able to read to the court in any event.

I passed all that. I was out gardening before the trial. All of a sudden, like Kat did in her story, I felt the presence of somebody. I stopped, looked and I said, “The neighbor’s not out. I don’t see anybody anywhere, but I felt such a strong presence.” This was the first time I had felt this, and I said, “Bryan, are you here?” There was no response and I said, “Mom, is that you? Are you here?” My mom passed in 2002. I said, “Mom, if it’s you, send me a yellow butterfly, and Bryan, if it’s you, send me a ladybug.” I forgot all about it. I went about my business and finished my gardening.

That night, we were having our kids over to dinner for a birthday celebration for me. It’s not my actual birthday, but a celebration of my 50th birthday. I’m walking in my dining room. I glanced down at the bay window. We’ve lived in this house for many years now. It was fifteen years at the time, give or take. I had never seen this in my home before, but I looked on the windowsill and there was a ladybug. I started jumping up and down and screaming. I know the kids thought I had lost my mind.

 

 

I’m like, “Bryan.” I didn’t have any previous affinity with ladybugs. It was something that came out of my mouth. Since then, the ladybugs are not just, “I’m outside and I see a ladybug,” these are ladybugs in the most amazing places, always the most amazing times, sometimes more of them. I’m still seeing them. I had five in my home. We have eight inches of snow outside. Explain that. Ladybugs were the first sign from Bryan. Over time, as I evolved, I started practicing and building these tools in my spiritual toolboxes and learning more about myself, spirit, the afterlife and all of these things while I was training myself on grief education because I knew that it would be a two-lane street.

I knew that I needed to honor my grief while expanding into my spiritual learning. That’s exactly the premise on which Transcending Grief was formed on. Honor our pain, but let’s not stay stuck in that suffering because when we focus on the pain for years and years, then we’re in a place of suffering and that we have the tools that we need to be able to lift out of that. While we will always miss them, we don’t have to carry that intensity of suffering and we can move into a happier life for ourselves if we choose because everything in life is a choice, hence the title of my book.

GAR Paige Lee | Transcending Grief

Transcending Grief: We need to honor our grief while expanding into our spiritual learning. That’s exactly the premise which Transcending Grief was formed on. Honor our pain, but let’s not stay stuck in that suffering.

 

The signs continued from that and then they evolved over time into this energy. I call them my Bryan Hugs, where these waterfalls of energy would begin at my crown and run through my entire body all the way through my arms and my fingertips down through my legs and toes. My body is vibrating. I call those my Bryan Hugs. I can’t even hold on to something when that’s happening, like if I have my phone in my hand, I’ll just  drop my phone. That’s pretty fun.

I’ve almost seen him. I saw the energy in the air shift and transform in front of my eyes, but I lost the connection. It didn’t quite happen. It’s been this evolution of signs and miracles. I journaled everything that happened for probably two years, and then we moved into automatic writing and channeled writing. It’s been one step at a time, leading me to where I am now, which is trying to help others or helping others with Bryan at my side.

Bryan helped you because I know he’s with you. How does that work? Are you working with someone?

He brings the kids to me on his side of the veil. I’ve been told this by many mediums independent of me ever suggesting it. He’s working with the kids on his side of the veil. I think it’s like, “Tell your mom to call my mom,” kind of thing. For whatever reason, spirit sends the awareness of me to that person so that they reach out, they can be a part of our group and come to our retreats. That’s one way in which Spirit works.

He is your recruiter.

I can feel him laughing when you said that. I do mostly Zoom online, the course. Our audience is worldwide and not so much local people coming to my home. The latest thing he’s been doing is playing with my emoji buttons every time I’m on a Zoom with the parent. Anybody grieving the loss of a loved one, Transcending Grief is open to all types of loss, not just a child, but that is close to my heart. Anytime I’m in one of these Zoom meetings, the emoji button will flash. Sometimes, we still need proof and validation is the point. That’s a great way that they’re showing whether it’s him or the child of the person or the spouse of the person that I’m talking to at the time. I love it because it’s visual, practical proof.

Everybody’s going to see that. It’s great. I want to ask Kat. I know that you should put your connection specialists. There are many ways people can get to a state of connection with the deceased loved ones in their own lives. I know you know them all. Can you describe a few for everyone who’s saying, “What do you mean my loved one is connecting with me? Am I missing something?”

I did wait eleven years. Paige clearly got her connection with Bryan a lot sooner. The first thing that we both mentioned as signs is Paige got the ladybugs. She’s now got the emojis coming through. Mine was similar. It was the name of my grandfather coming through. Signs happen, then we get synchronicities. We were almost into link, a sign with an experience or maybe even bringing in a group of individuals. My feeling is that connection is not about connecting to Spirit. It’s about connecting to the living as well.

A connection is about both sides of the veil. It’s about helping the living. Ancestry is anybody that has passed that’s connected to us in our family to spirit. Their role is to keep the living alive and help support them to make life easier. Signs and synchronicities tend to be the first. We might write them off initially as coincidences, but eventually, they become repetitive. That repetition gives us the insight that we can’t write it away. Some things get bigger and bolder.

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They keep going until finally you get it that they’re with you.

Signs and synchronicities very much happened to me. In my awakening, I started to see, hear, feel and know spirits. Sometimes I was coming out with information, but I couldn’t understand that I’d say to my husband, “At 2:05, the phone’s going to ring. There’ll be nobody there. This man who’s talking to me and says his name’s Michael wants you to know that I’m not crazy.” At 2:05, the phone would ring. He picked it up. There was no one there. I said, “Do you see?”

We were going to a wedding. I said, “There’s going to be a guy called Michael. This guy is going to come up to us. His name is going to be Michael. He’s going to want to sit next to his church. He’ll have the seat next to me at the wedding table. Whatever you do, do not let this gentleman sit next to me. He can come first with us. I don’t mind him being at the dinner table, but I don’t want to sit next to him. Can you move the settings so that he’s opposite me? I’m nervous. I don’t understand what this is.”

My husband was like, “This is ridiculous. We don’t know anybody called Michael.” I was like, “Trust me. He’s going to send you.” This was the validation of the signs, evidence and the information that was coming through my mind into my thoughts. Sure enough, we get to the wedding. This guy comes up, a complete stranger and says his name is Michael, who wants to sit next to us in the church. I pushed my husband to go to look at the place setting. He’s got the setting next to us. He moves the setting. I said, “I promise you the first thing you’ll talk about is that he’s got back from Mumbai.” We sit down. The first thing he says is, “I just got back from Mumbai.”

I was like, “What is happening to me?” I was a bit scared. To be honest, I was like, “What is going on?” My initial thing is then I learned to close down. I go to have readings myself, as Paige and yourself have had. You can’t make it up. I went with postcards in my bag. The gentleman who was reading for me never saw the postcards. He didn’t have a clue that I brought postcards with me. He asked me if I could pass him the postcard at the bridge on it. I get the postcard with the bridge. I pass it out. He gave me the most amazing validations and information, like my grandma had done a tapestry of this bridge. He started talking about I had it in my house.

It was evidential things that you couldn’t make up. He said he guided part of my journey and asked me to come to a workshop. He said, “You’re not crazy, but I understand your fears because it’s something that you’ve never experienced at this level before, this frequency. The spirit wants you to meet one of my friends who will be here in four weeks because they’re only going to give me part of the story. This gentleman is to guide you the rest of the way.”

The combination of both of them was amazing. I went to the workshop for the person who read to me. I was amazed by what I experienced. I started to learn mental mediumship. The other gentleman guided me to healing and trance mediums who then taught me how to sit in trance. I then qualified, wanting to understand the signs of things, and went to look at clinical hypnotherapy.

I start to bolt on all these healing practices, including spiritual healing. I did Reiki master. You can connect through feeling and healing as well as through communication in terms of the mind. Through trance, you can get gestures and physical changes in the voice and movement in the body. We can then go on to explore channel writing like Paige does automatic writing, which is where the handle in the actual handwriting of the person in spirit.

You can then see Transfiguration, which is where a qualified trance medium will sit in a physical capacity. You’ll see energy change around their face. You might see impressions of the person your loved one on their in front of their face. It’s a screen that’s built around the face as opposed to the actual mediums. The face is changing. I’ve been in rooms where I’ve checked out. There are no projectors. There’s nothing that can explain it. When you see something like this on a qualified person, it is the most magical experience. The voice changes, and the whole atmosphere in the room changes. It shifts.

I saw a completely bald-headed man become a Chinese man with a long beard and a mustache. I tapped the doctor who was sitting next to me, and I said, “Can you see what I’m seeing? Describe to me what you are seeing.” He described what I was seeing. I was like, “Can you understand this? How is this happening? Why have I never heard of this before? Why did it take me 33 years to have this experience? How can this be part of life?” That’s what shocked me the most.

I’d never heard anything about it. I was like, “This is crazy amazing, but it was magical.” Some people recognized their loved ones in the audience, and it was dramatic. It was only a small group. It was the most amazing of experience, and then I went to experiment more. I’ve seen tables tilting, like tables going flying around a room and people having their little fingers on them. I’ve seen a physical circle where energy has a trumpet in the middle of the room, which is elevated and lifted. Nobody touched it. It moved around the room. You can become very experimental, but you can go on to have other ways of connection, like dreams, whether it’s shamanic dreaming or lucid dreaming, which I teach.

You can experience connection through astral travels. Lucid dreaming could be a way to go out of body. Lucid dreaming is in body. You can go out of body. Some people use binaural beats and they use connection through hypnosis. Meditation is a popular way. I use the power of intention. You can also then use props like oracle cards and affirmation cards.

Pendulums.

Paige uses pendulums quite a lot. I use it in healing, but I believe that Paige used it for communication. Crystal healing and energy healing. All these things give us insights in different ways to different experiences, but they come through the modality of the body. I believe it’s about tuning into our inner senses that there is an inner world as well as an outer world. As you go through things gradually and you learn more new educate yourself, read and have experiences in safe environments with recommended and qualified people, you build it over time. Letting go of what you’ve been taught in society and you establish a new way of seeing the world. I could literally list about 30 or 40 different ways, like The Power Of Prayer.

Do you teach these in your workshops? If someone comes, you’re helping them to deal with their grief. I’m through your communicating with their deceased loved ones, but you’re also teaching them how to communicate with their deceased loved ones when they leave the workshop or the retreat.

Both Paige and I do bespoke sessions where we work with people on a one-to-one, from anything from grief coaching to actual connection coaching. We’ve got different specialties. Paige is a numerologist, amongst other things. We’ve got different ways of connecting. I work largely on bespoke packages, but within the retreats, we work together through different supporting lots of different guides, sound healing, Reiki healing and we do meditations.

I know people are grieving, but they also sound like a lot of fun. I’m sure that the people in your retreats bond together like crazy. It must be such an inspiring time for everyone.

They wouldn’t recognize themselves after the fact because we’re laughing, dancing and telling stories around the fire pit. We’re honoring our grief at the same time, but we were there to heal and healing involves laughter, dance and joy. In 2023, I did a feminine dance routine that we did around the big old maple tree. In 2024, Kat is doing ecstatic dance. It’s important to continue to express your grief through movement, which is the reason we bring the dance in.

What we don’t realize is that when we grieving, energy gets blocked at the hearts and centers, all different chakras. Movement can be a way of liberating the body and the spirit but also in terms of different things will work for different people. What Paige and I try to do is give people a large repertoire of things they can try. Some of them are a little bit off the wall. If you see me in a trance doing sound healing, you think, “This is a little bit crazy,” but the frequencies can transform people and people get joy in making the sound themselves.

These things are primitive things that, way back in time, we used as healing. Bringing some of the far-out alongside more of the traditional is a way of taking people out of their everyday experience. It’s not necessarily about making it mystical. It’s about giving them freedom and liberation to try different things and to have an adventure and explore. Some people are surprised.

 

 

There are some people who came for the laughter yoga, the dance and sound healing were what they enjoyed the most, and yet they’d come for maybe the mediumship demonstration or the counseling or meditation sessions that Paige had done. We find it very interesting, but also we take people out into nature. We do courses online. You go on our Facebook page, or any of our individual pages, PaigeWLee.com or Kat-B.com.

I want to know how this amazing partnership happened because I know that Spirit planned this right for four years before you two got connected. This is another great story, how they bring you together, especially with Kat in the UK and you in the States.

It started with your channeling, which was profound.

That’s what we discovered at the retreat. I knew Kat. She was an affiliate leader of the HPH or Helping Parents Heal group in the UK at that time. When my book was published, she kindly and graciously had me in her group meeting to talk about my book. That was wonderful, but we didn’t know each other beyond that. We met at the Helping Parents Heal Conference in 2022. I had scheduled a reading with Kat because I’d never had a reading with her.

I’d scheduled 8:00 AM the first day and I was like, “I’ve got to get all dolled up and get to her room by 8:00 AM,” but I was there bright and cherry. What I thought would be messages from Bryan turned out to be messages from my spirit guides almost exclusively. I think Bryan was there too, giving messages, but it was all about my journey and not the validation reading that most of us seek when we seek out a medium. That’s neither here nor there.

All of this wonderful information of answering questions that I had had in my mind about how I was going to move forward that I had never even posed to Kat. It was super interesting. I left very pumped up and then she’ll probably want to tell you the series of synchronicities that happened after that that led her to me or to the Transcending Grief project, but I’ll tell you my version of it. She called me about two weeks later as she wrote to me in Messenger.

She’s like, “Spirit wants me to start doing retreats with you. Is that okay?” I had already been doing retreats. I’m like, “Kat Baillie wants to do retreats with me? Yes, that’s okay.” I was excited and that’s how we got together. To answer your previous question, what Kat alluded to is that years ago, in my spirit channeling and the way spirit works with me, I’ll be minding my own business and then I’ll have this thought. Sometimes, it’s a word. Sometimes, it’s a sentence.

It happens for me.

It pops into my brain and I’ll be like, “What was that?” I’ll go write it down real quick, and then I’ll know when the time is right for me to expand on it because they’ll tell me, “Go right.” Sometimes it’s the middle of the night, which I don’t appreciate, but we do with spirit.

There is no time.

Nor is there enough time in our days to do everything we want to do in any event and then it’ll just come out. It’s getting stronger and I love it. One of those channelings a number of years back was about I Am and recreating myself on the grief journey and again. Two days later, after the initial channeling, more information came in about dropping to my knees again. We know what that’s like. We’re standing and then we fall to our knees again, and now we have to recreate who we are again. What does that mean? What does that look like? Do I have the strength to carry on?

These beautiful channels are on the blog section of my website, if anybody wants to read them. The theme of those channelings was I Am. It wasn’t until we did our retreat and Kat received the theme of I Am from spirit and it was when we were meeting together going over the material prior to the retreat starting that we had that a-ha moment that was the moment that spirit was bringing us together because the information in that channel became an integral part of the teaching of the I Am topic in the retreat.

They’re very clever. It’s amazing.

It’s a bit like your experience that you’re telling us that when you started your show that you got this intuition to do it, run with it and see how amazing it’s become. At the retreat, when Sally Baldwin came through, he was Paige’s original mentor who’s now passed to spirit, giving evidence about these retreats that Paige did, I had no points or I was going to be involved in them. I can honestly say to this lady that my regulation is that she said that she was going to give a piece of information to me during the retreat for Paige that was going to come from another source.

I thought I was the messenger that somebody at the retreat would introduce themselves and I would give that information to Paige. What happened was interesting. It was my birthday on the 22nd of August. After the retreat came to a close, which I’d been falling to working it, Dr. Jeff O’Driscoll, whom I believe you’ve had on as a guest, invited me to the breakfast for my birthday. Originally, I didn’t think I was going to be able to make it, but spirit said, “Check your phone.”

The person that I was meant to meet up with have come down with COVID, as many people do from the conference that year. I ended up saying to him, “I can come for breakfast. It’s free.” What many people don’t know is that Jeff is a very interesting public speaker, but he’s an amazing artist. We were talking about his hard work. He finished a sculpture of the Archangel Michael. We were talking about Saint Michael and Saint Mary.

Someone came over to our table saying, “I’m sorry. I don’t mean to be rude. Would you mind if I approached and speak to you for a moment? I saw you in your demonstration. I was blown away by the information that came through. I was the lady that was sat next to the gentleman that you were reading for a new tapped in and gave me some information that was relevant to me.” She went on to explain that she had a retreat center in St. Michael’s in Maryland.

We went, “St. Michael’s in Maryland.” That was the moment and then it was like, “You’re the girl that’s coming to give me the information to Paige.” I thought I was taking this information to give Paige the details about this retreat center that was clearly going to be part of their journey. Through that conversation, it came up that the lady in question had said,” I want you to be present at this retreat.”

I said, “Would you consider, Paige, working with me, if it meant that you got this amazing opportunity to work at this place?” It transpired. The venue wasn’t the right venue island location, but it spurned that conversation between Paige and I that started. Paige said, “I’ve got this idea for a project called Transcending Grief.” It was her name. She got that from spirit. She had these channelings. We were halfway through it before we knew the topic. We were throwing ideas together and suddenly, one day it all came together and you realized that all these jigsaw pieces were falling into place from many different ways. The universe collided and threw us together as it did with you and your show.

Everything is amazing. I want everyone to know that with your Transcending Grief workshops, you have three simple goals that you provide your clients in your workshops and retreats so that everyone who would like to sign up would know what you’re going to accomplish together with them. Could you tell us about them?

Our retreats are about allowing you to transcend the pain of your grief into this space of connection and healing. First of all, everything we do is of God, Creator, connecting and being in alignment with our loved ones on the other side. Kat brings to the table her connection workshops where she helps people work with one another and increase their own mediumship, helping them see that they do have intuition. She does transmediumship. She does mediumship demonstrations and so much more.

The piece of it that I bring to the table is more of the grief education piece. We do a couple of workshops. I love my Labyrinth. It’s a silent meditation and then we come back and we do channel writing at the end of that, dance and grief movement, which is the expression of grief through the body. We call it Grief Flow.

 

 

Things like laughter yoga, where we can move that grief out of our muscles and our fascia so it’s not remaining stuck in our bodies. I lived through that as well as all of you live through that and how important it is to release that. It’s funny, people come in heavy-hearted. Our goal is to give them community, connection and light and to show them a pathway forward that doesn’t have to be full of pain and suffering. I think that is our goal.

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Tell us what you’re planning for 2024 so that if anyone reading this wants to come on board, they know what you’re going to be doing.

We’ve got online workshops. We’ve got a retreat that’s full of all those aspects that Paiges discussed about. We’ve got some online courses coming soon as well on each individual website.

Do you have a site for Transcending Grief?

We have it on our individual pages. We were originally going to set up a separate website, but then we realized that it would take administration and finances away from what we wanted to focus on, which is the people and the community. We decided to focus as a Facebook and Instagram group where we advertise the workshops and share questions and conversations. We’ve got member spotlights and guest speakers that come on.

We’ve got workshops that we do individually, whether that’s healing or grief, which Paige manages, or connections that I look after. We’ve got book clubs coming and chat rooms. We have ideas that regardless of what level of grief you’re in, there are touch points. Some of those touch points will be relevant for you. For instance, we’ve got a chef about food and diet connected to grief. We’ve got lots of different specialist subjects. Some of them are going to appeal to you and some of them might not be relevant.

The great joy is that you can chop, change and choose or you can be consistent in the journey. You can stay with us the whole way and touch base with us on many different things, or you can choose what it is that you would like to enjoy. Hopefully, within the community, we try to use our spiritual connections to meet the questions that get thrown at us and help people move through grief.

If Paige and I don’t have the skillset, what a great network community around us. We’re able to refer people to the relevant support groups. The only thing is that we don’t manage the healing that spirit guides the personality to the space that’s right for them. That’s something that’s ingrained in our hearts through Soul Connections, one of the key workshops that we run yearly.

 

For clarity, that’s a private Facebook group so that people have the freedom to be able to express whatever is happening within their grief journey that they don’t have to worry about that being publicly shared. We also have a public page, but all of the events and everything that we do other than a post is contained within that private Facebook group. It’s private and it’s been growing. We launched it in 2023.

We love our community. They’re very active and nurturing. We have people who have lost children, spouses or parents. We have people from all different walks of grief in the group, which is lovely, but the other retreat that we’re doing in addition to our I Am Soul, which is the signature retreat that we’ve talked about, we’re doing another retreat before that when this year also in Connecticut, that is our healing certifications workshop. We were very excited to talk with your readers about that because we only have a few spots left and hopefully, we can have people take a look at that. We’re offering a discount only for your readers.

You’re going to train people to be able to help others.

I’m a Reiki master, as is Kat, but I took the Holy Fire integration into my Reiki. It’s an absolute game-changer. I’ll be teaching that which brings in the traditional Yusuf teachings and symbols, but people will be certified in Reiki 1 and 2 for Holy Fire. 1) In person. 2) Later online. Kat is teaching her healing sound and vibrations level one beginner certification. That’s a very small workshop. Only eight participants max. It’s one-on-one time with us.

What are the accommodations like?

It’s a mansion in Waterbury, Connecticut. It’s this beautiful home with an elevator. Kat and I are providing home-cooked meals with the exception of one evening that is out, which people will pay for their own, but other than that, everything’s included, the lodging, either private or shared bedroom, depending on what’s available at the time. Kat, what would you like to add to that?

You’ve covered that famously. It is about some people who have experienced grief with a small group. This was about intimate one-to-one time and getting to know people face-to-face. It is there a chance to ask us any questions that they want on any particular subject. Although, it’s all about healing. Their healing Journeys may be different. The idea is that they can use our expertise to fire away any questions they want so that we can give them the support they need, but we will be doing practical Reiki share sessions. We will be doing sound healing. I’ll be doing some trance work. We’ll be very much in the spirit of things and hopefully, that will build the energy for the main retreat.

When is this going to be?

It’s June 16th through the 19th. That main Retreat is the 19th through the 23rd of June. They’re back-to-back, about an hour away from one another at the most.

Tell me people come to you with different religious faiths. Does that ever present a problem? How do you handle that?

You can keep the faith. If you’re an atheist, it’s fine as well. It’s about exploring spirituality, your connection with self-spirit, the nature around you and life in general. We’re not requesting for anybody to be a particular faith or religion. We’re open to all faiths, but we don’t oppose any. What we want to share is the truth of spirit is about humanity coming together. It’s about awakening together and increasing the vibration and energy of all.

Anybody can feel safe coming to your retreat. There’s no judgment.

We only ask that they come with an open mind and heart and that you have to be willing to receive and try different things. If you come with the attitude of, “This isn’t going to work for me. I’m closed off,” you’re going to run into problems, but those problems aren’t connected. The retreat is connected to the attitude. As Paige said, “Healing is a choice.” You have to be able to receive and willing to try new ways of looking at the world to see which technique’s going to work for you. Some will work successfully and some might not. Some people might find that all the techniques work for them and they love them all, but we give you the freedom to choose.

Is this under the title of Conscious Healing of what you’re doing?

Paige will tell you more about that because she likes the word conscious healing and I think it’s having an awareness of your grief.

It is having that awareness and wanting to do something about it. I buried myself in a wine bottle for about a month. Every night, I would sit on my front porch, drink wine, blast the music from Bryan’s funeral and I would cry. My poor neighbors. I would wail and fall to my knees on the floor. I almost made a deal with the devil. I was so close. That’s when I got up and I was like, “What am I doing? Is this who I am?” At that moment, I knew that was not my path.

As people will find out when they read my book, I took my son’s little red truck and drove it to the reservoir. I almost went over and I knew I wasn’t going to do that. On some level inside of me, deeply, I knew that that was not my path, but I had to test it. I’m not recommending for people to do this, please, but for me, I had to go to the edge of that so that I would know that I had the strength to not do that.

Not only that, if someone comes to you and they have that similar feeling, you can counsel them and talk with them about that.

We have this amazing opportunity to not only live our lives in their honor, which we want to do. We want to keep their memory alive, but we have this opportunity to rebuild who we are and who we want to be. Now, especially on my grief journey, it’s coming full circle back to who I am as love, which is no coincidence that Kat gave me her channeled card, I Am Love. It’s more than love. It’s unconditional love. What we try to extend on our private group is unconditional love for all faiths, circumstances and all types of loss because when we’re in that unconditional love space, our vibration raises and we lift ourselves up out of those negative emotions that keep us hostage.

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Those are the things that keep us in our suffering. By lifting ourselves up through self-love, we can then help extend love universally. That moment on that road at the reservoir was that moment of beginning to open the door into that self-love like, “I love myself more than that. I want to be able to be bigger than this.” If anything, the grief journey has taught me that I’m strong but that I am worthy of continuing to live and the work that I do. I’m grateful that Bryan and my spirit team are so present in my life that I can hear their messages.

You’re describing conscious healing.

Those have been my words. They’ve been on my website for years, but to me, that’s what that is. It doesn’t mean we have to do something but that we decide what we want to do and then we do it when and where.

Kat, I want you to advise people. What is the most healing thing a person can do to help someone who’s lost someone close to them?

It’s listening to a whole space for somebody to love them unconditionally and to be non-judgmental. Through the work that I do, I’ve met thousands of people who have lost loved ones from all walks of life in all different ways, from suicide to murder to natural deaths to illness. The scope of what you come and encounter is fast. The most important thing is that you hold space for somebody and come with an open mind and open heart.

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You come with integrity, authenticity, and honesty, and if you can help them, you guide them as much down the path as you can. When you reach a point where you feel that they need different expert advice, you refer them more. It’s important that we’re patient and open to support and receive. Would you add anything to that, Paige?

I think that’s beautifully said. Well done.

Girls, do you have a special offer for the people in our audience?

In regards to the Healing Certifications Workshop, where you can receive legitimate certification and Reiki 1 and following Reiki 2 of the Holy Fire Energy, Kat is offering actual certification and her healing sound and vibrations workshop. We’re offering a $250 discount for your readers. When emailing Kat or I, use the code word HEALING.

We only have a few spots for that. We’d love to have any of your readers come to our main retreat, which we can still spell spaces to as well, even though we’re sold out. The venue has more rooms available if we want to pick them up. That’s all-inclusive, homemade, farm-to-table food prepared by a chef. Three meals a day. It’s fantastic. The grounds for that main retreat are 12 or 20 wooded grounds with a lake, beautiful forest and fireflies.

Since you’re going to teach all these people not only to heal but to have joy at the same time as you’re moving through your grief, I would like to hear from each one of you about your special tip for finding joy in life. I know one of you talks about the power of unconditional love. Who wants to go first?

Kat, do you want to go first or what do you want to do?

Union with source, self, soul, spirit, the people and community around you for me. It’s about connection. That brings you joy.

For you, Paige?

To summarize, I’ve already mentioned unconditional love and how we have to look at what that means for us. I think people need to look a, “What does unconditional love mean to me? What does living authentically mean to me? Am I living my life authentically and how I want it to be, but also what do my loved ones and spirit want for me as well?”

My takeaway is usually that your loved one is not lost. Only their physical body is gone. Everything else about them, the essence of who they are, their personality are alive and well. Not only that, you can still have a relationship with them, which ties in with the connection piece that Kat teaches. I have self-taught some of that, but I’m no medium. We can still have a relationship with them. It doesn’t have to end with the death of the physical body. I think that’s the misconception about death and that’s what’s changing in our world. The awareness is thanks to you, Irene, and people like you who spread these messages of love and joy.

 

GAR Paige Lee | Transcending Grief

 

I want to thank you, Paige and Kat, for teaming together to help those who are grieving through your Transcending Grief workshops and retreats as you inspire your clients to transcend the pain of grief by helping them make connections with your loved ones, spirit and teaching them enlighting tools and techniques to help support them on their grief journey. You are beautifully fostering light, love and joy within them. I thank you from my heart for this healing and insightful interview with its potential to transform many lives.

From my heart, here is a loving reminder to everyone to make sure to follow and like us on social at @IreneSWeinberg on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and anywhere you get us. On YouTube, be sure to click subscribe so you’ll never miss an episode. As I like to say, to be continued. Many blessings. Thank you, wonderful dears, Paige and Kat. Bye for now.

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About Paige Lee

GAR Paige Lee | Transcending GriefIn 2022, co-founders Kat Baillie and Paige Lee combined their 30 years of collective experience in the world of spirit connection and grief education and healing to provide clients with three simple goals: to help them transcend the pain brought on by grief, to help them make the connections with their loved ones in Spirit, and to help them learn the tools and techniques that will help support them on their grief journey. Their passion for helping others and their ability to connect people with loved ones in Spirit have allowed them to help countless individuals on their own grief journeys. They have also become known for their ability to empower people through their own difficult experiences, including those grieving from a loss of any kind.

Paige and Kat take great comfort and strength from knowing that the spirit world brought them together for this project, pairing their skills to help support a greater spiritual desire, to work in union and be of service to one another in the process of transcending grief. Their first-hand experience of grief; having known and having lived through the pain you may find yourself in during grief, means their level of understanding and compassion is an additional benefit as they guide you through processing your grief, making connections, and finding healing techniques that work for you, while sharing and moving through their own experiences.

Whether your pain comes from the loss of a child, spouse, sibling, parent, friend, or another loved one in your life – grief can overwhelm us and bring us to our knees. We need a pathway out of the darkness and into the light. This is possible. It is possible for every one of us if we actively choose to heal. It’s essential that you know you are not alone. There is help and hope available for you on your grief journey. Those who have walked this path before you can help lend their shoulders for support as you walk it now. Light, love, and joy are on the other side of your pain. Transcending Grief can help you get there.

With grace, love, trust, forgiveness, compassion, light, and connection….healing is yours for the taking. Join us, and let us show you the way. You will learn that love never dies by opening your heart and mind. We are all connected.

 

About Kat Baillie

GAR Paige Lee | Transcending GriefIn 2022, co-founders Kat Baillie and Paige Lee combined their 30 years of collective experience in the world of spirit connection and grief education and healing to provide clients with three simple goals: to help them transcend the pain brought on by grief, to help them make the connections with their loved ones in Spirit, and to help them learn the tools and techniques that will help support them on their grief journey. Their passion for helping others and their ability to connect people with loved ones in Spirit have allowed them to help countless individuals on their own grief journeys. They have also become known for their ability to empower people through their own difficult experiences, including those grieving from a loss of any kind.

Paige and Kat take great comfort and strength from knowing that the spirit world brought them together for this project, pairing their skills to help support a greater spiritual desire, to work in union and be of service to one another in the process of transcending grief. Their first-hand experience of grief; having known and having lived through the pain you may find yourself in during grief, means their level of understanding and compassion is an additional benefit as they guide you through processing your grief, making connections, and finding healing techniques that work for you, while sharing and moving through their own experiences.

Whether your pain comes from the loss of a child, spouse, sibling, parent, friend, or another loved one in your life – grief can overwhelm us and bring us to our knees. We need a pathway out of the darkness and into the light. This is possible. It is possible for every one of us if we actively choose to heal. It’s essential that you know you are not alone. There is help and hope available for you on your grief journey. Those who have walked this path before you can help lend their shoulders for support as you walk it now. Light, love, and joy are on the other side of your pain. Transcending Grief can help you get there.

With grace, love, trust, forgiveness, compassion, light, and connection….healing is yours for the taking. Join us, and let us show you the way. You will learn that love never dies by opening your heart and mind. We are all connected.

I was so honored to be a guest on Irene’s wonderful podcast. If you haven’t met Irene yet, she is a fabulous author and speaker, and I think you will love her podcast as much as I do.

Sherri Cortland

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