What if profound loss wasn’t the end, but the beginning of an incredible journey? Join Irene Weinberg as she speaks with Lisa ‘Sunya’ Joynes, a shaman who embodies the vibrant energy of the heyoka or sacred clown. Sunya dives into her profound personal transformation after the passing of her husband, Gary, revealing how she uncovered hidden magic within that loss. Discover how Heyoka Energy taught her to radically flip her perspective, explore her unique twin flame journey, and understand the current Great Awakening as a powerful time of collective rebirth. This fascinating interview promises to bring joy, laughter, and a higher understanding of consciousness.
IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR ABOUT THINGS LIKE:
- How spiritual awakening can follow profound loss
- The nature of heyoka or sacred clown energy and its role in transformation
- Insights into the twin flame journey and its challenges
- The Great Awakening as a period of collective rebirth and its implications
- The difference between 3D and 5D existence and expanding consciousness
- The importance of personal healing for global transformation
- The purpose and process of shamanic healing sessions, including chakra resets and soul retrieval
- The significance of The Story of Sunya’s Magic Hat and its connection to her journey
- The concept of Jesus as a path to source and the non-religious aspect of spiritual awakening
- Finding joy through authentic self-expression and understanding “love in full expression”
SOME QUESTIONS IRENE ASKS SUNYA:
- Can you tell us about your journey and how these transformations took place?
- You had a telephone meeting with a medium that was transformative for you. How did this become your gateway to awakening?
- Tell us about this heyoka energy
- How did you originally learn about the heyoka energy?
- Can you describe a shamanic healing session where you’ve helped someone to heal?
- Why does a person’s soul need retreating?
- Can you explain what the Great Awakening is to people?
- Tell us about your twin flame.
- What is the Sunya Joynes’ tip on finding joy in life?
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Lisa ‘Sunya’ Joynes: What If Loss Wasn’t the End—But the Beginning?
I hope this message finds each of you very well. I could not be more delighted to have the pleasure of interviewing Sunya Joynes, a shaman who embodies the energy of the Heyoka or Sacred Clown with every fiber of her being. The Heyoka or Sacred Clown is a powerful figure in Lakota and Dakota traditions, a force of paradox and transformation. Heyoka shamans use humor, satire, and paradox to challenge perceptions, provoke thought, and heal emotional wounds.
Sunya didn’t just step into this role. She was guided, shaped, and transformed from the moment of her awakening when the loss of her husband cracked open a door to an entirely new existence. She started following the call of the spirit. Sunya is now walking what is called the twin flame path, where two halves of the same soul are destined to challenge, heal, and elevate each other. This connection is not always easy, but it is always profound, pushing both individuals towards their highest selves.
Sunya is a guiding light who recognizes that joy is sacred, transformation is inevitable, and laughter is one of the most profound forms of healing. Through her book, The Story of Sunya’s Magic Hat, her teachings, and her work, she inspires us all to step into our highest selves and embrace the current shift in consciousness that is reshaping social, spiritual, and philosophical perspectives called The Great Awakening.
I’m looking forward to talking with Sunya, who will be speaking to us from the UK, about her personal transformation that began with the passing of her husband, how profound loss can become a gateway to awakening the magic hidden within loss, how Heyoka energy taught Sunya to flip her perspective, her twin flame journey, how the Great Awakening is our time of collective rebirth and more for a fascinating interview that is bound to bring us joy, laughter, and a higher understanding of consciousness.
Sunya, a warm welcome to the show.
It’s magic to be here, Irene, and finally meet you.
It is a pleasure.
It’s a privilege and a synchronous all in divine timing.
Sunya’s Transformative Journey: From Lisa to Shaman
You reached out to me long ago, and it’s wonderful to be talking with you. I want everyone to get to know your story because it’s different and fascinating. You’ve experienced a great awakening after your husband transitioned. You’ve been a few different people in your life. There was the Lisa before you met your husband, there was the Lisa in your life with your husband, and now you’re Sunya.
Can you tell us about your journey and how these transformations took place? It’s a mouthful. You don’t have to go on and on. Give us a little succinct understanding. I also transformed after my spiritual awakening. I could also break my life into two or three distinct chapters. You had three different chapters.
I don’t know where to start because so much has happened, but I was living a normal life. I didn’t realize then that I wasn’t awake. I was born into the family that I chose for whatever reason, which I am aware of now. People ask me, “Why are you awake?” or, “Were you spiritual before your awakening?” I thought, “I was open.” I had an open mind. I always believed that energy is everything. We are energy. I always believed that when we leave our bodies, that’s not it. Whereas my dad thinks that it is.
You were your own person even as a child because you had your own feelings and thoughts that were different than your parents.
That’s one of the reasons why I chose to be born to my mother and father, because through my childhood, I learned independence. Independence is also about learning about oneself and coming back to oneself. It was like I was prepared to become independent when Gary departed, but I didn’t know that then. I met Gary when I was fifteen, and it’s like my soul knew I meant to be with him. It was nine years after I met him that we got married.
You had a long courtship while you were growing up.
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There’s that saying, once bitten, twice shy. He almost married somebody else, and then he met me. He wasn’t going to rush into anything, I don’t suppose. We always knew that we were meant to be together. Anyway, to cut a long story very short, the last thirteen years of our life together were focused on running our small business. We do landscape gardening. I’d studied Archeology for ten years. That’s another story. I went into garden design so we could work together, but there’s this spiritual pun. There’s always this spiritual humor as an underlying current. It’s like we were gardeners, but we were gardeners of gardens. Now I’ve become a gardener of energy, but I realize all this now.
You’re planting seeds now when you’re growing beautiful things.
We were working hard, doing what most people do, thinking that we were going to grow old together, looking forward to retirement, and all those things.
He got very sick.
We think we’ve got plans. They say God laughs at plans. We were self-employed, and Gary used to have to work out estimates or quotes for the work, and then he couldn’t. He started having problems writing and reading visually. He drove into things, and then he wasn’t walking.
How scary and upsetting for him.
He started to get intense pain in his head. To cut a long story short, when he finally got a diagnosis from a consultant, we knew it was a brain tumor, but we didn’t know what kind. We landed up in another consultation with the brain surgeon, and it was like there was a big chunk of something missing. It was like they thought we knew what kind it was. She said, “You’ve got 2 to 3 months to live.” We were like, “What?” His first friend had had a brain tumor, but a different kind, and survived. We thought, “It’ll be cut out and he’d be fine.” No, he was told, “You’ve got 2 to 3 months to live. You’ve got the worst brain tumor you can get, and there’s no way you can beat it.”
That was it.
If he didn’t choose to do anything about it, he would’ve had 2 to 3 months to live, but he chose to have surgery, and then radio and chemotherapy. They told him, “You are buying time.” It was such a shock. We thought, “You’ve got to have surgery so we can sort everything out before you die.” He bought twenty months of extra life. I realize now that it was all meant to happen. I realize now that we did our grieving while he was still alive.
I was going to say that. In a way, you’ve got to do that. I would imagine you’ve got to say everything you had to say to him, and vice versa.
Grieving in Bliss: A Profound Departure
We grieved together while he was alive, so that when he took his last breath, it was like we were both in bliss and ecstasy. He went off to source and was in bliss. I’m still embodied, but I was in bliss. I was blessed. People thought it was very strange that I would be so happy and in ecstasy after my husband had died.
Were you with him when he died? Did you have a shared death experience or anything like that with him?
The last month or two. In December 2020, he was at home in a hospice bed, and I was witnessing him being prepared spiritually.
Were you able to see that?
Yes, because he was in an altered state of consciousness. He was talking to somebody, but I could ask him a question, and he could still respond to me. I asked him, “Who are you talking to?” He said, “A lovely man is sitting on my bed.” I said, “What are you talking about?” He said, “Life.” I was making notes of conversations. One minute, he was laughing his head off, and the next minute, he’d be crying his eyes out. I realized he was having a life review before he could go because he wasn’t spiritual at all in life. He hadn’t done any healing. I know he had healing to do, but he always ignored that. It was like he couldn’t go until he had a life review.
Whereas my understanding now is that you have a life review after you’ve crossed the veil. He had to have one before. The most amazing thing, I must tell you this, is that in his altered state of consciousness, he was lying in bed, and he was going like that, “Can you hear me?” I had a profound realization of what he was doing when he was in the hospice, because he was moved to a hospice. Bearing in mind, this all happened during COVID. That was all very tricky.
Anyway, so I sat by his bedside in the hospice for over three weeks. There’s so much I could talk about, but I have to condense it all. I had plenty of time to sit there. I was reading books and researching on my laptop. I was guided to a painting, The Light of the World. I’d never seen it before. When I saw that painting, I knew that that’s what was happening. Jesus had knocked, and Gary had to open the door, but in his altered state of consciousness, he was saying he was knocking back on the door, saying, “Can you hear me?”
It was like he wasn’t meant to go yet. It was a month later, on the 29th of January, that the moment came. It was so quick that it made me laugh. You don’t expect to laugh when your husband dies. There’s more to this story than that, but it was very profound. I had been guided to a website called LonerWolf.com. I realized the experience I’d been having was an awakening. That’s what’s happening. I’m having a spiritual awakening.
In a way, Gary was your doorway to your awakening.
I’ll say it now. It was the biggest gift he could give me. It was all meant to happen this way. We have a soul contract. It’s for him to die to wake me up so I can get on and do the workout I originally came here for. It took until I was about 50 to do it. I had to leave the normal human life.
We have so many similarities in our stories because when Saul died, I had my awakening also, and it changed my life. Like you, I had a very difficult early years in certain ways, but I think they were my preparation for where I am now. If I hadn’t experienced those things, I wouldn’t understand when I’m helping people or when I’m talking with people. Would you say that would apply to you also?
Yes, because through your experiences of living a normal life, you have the compassion and the empathy with other people. That’s why we are here to help. We’ve woken up. We didn’t know we were going to wake up, but we did. Our higher self and our soul did, but we didn’t, and then it happens. You understand what’s happened, and then you know that you’ve got to help other people who it’s happening to. They think, “What’s happening?” Some people think they’re going mad, and other people are behaving crazily and happily. You think, “What’s happening to me?” You need somebody like us to say, “This is all part of waking up.”
Awakening Through Loss: The Medium’s Call
“Come join us.” After Gary transitioned, you had a telephone meeting with a medium that was transformative for you. Now the door opens, you don’t know quite what’s happening, but you’re starting to go through the door, and then you have this telephone meeting with a medium. Do you want to share that because this became your gateway to awakening? You began to realize that you were supposed to work together from across the veil.
I knew that while all this was happening. There was something in me or within me. One of my strongest clairsentience is claircognizance or clear knowing. I have to trust my intuition, which is why I have tattooed on my arm now, “Trust what you know to be true.” That’s another story about tattoos. My husband and I didn’t use to like tattoos or didn’t understand them. Since he’s gone, I’m covered in them now. We haven’t got the space or the time to talk about that, but I’ve got two messages that came from Gary tattooed on my arms, and that’s one of them. It was through a tarot.
Read what they are. I love this one, “Trust what you know to be true.” What’s the other one?
“Trust what you know to be true” came through a tarot card that I drew, but I knew it was Gary giving me that card. The other one came through that telephone call with the medium. He said, “Never the pain shall we part again.” That’s on my other arm. It had to be a telephone call because it was COVID. He couldn’t see what I had around me. I had various things around me, and he told me what they were. Through the process of working out what they were, it was very funny, and there’s a connection to mischievous monkeys. Spirit is very mischievous. It likes to have fun with us.
I had a red t-shirt on from a racetrack in Italy, Imola, and I didn’t get it till about a year after. I’d recorded the interview on my iPad because I’m not a great techie person. I had the phone call going on, and I thought, “How can I record that?” I worked out how to video myself on my iPad. I was watching it back about a year later because the guy kept saying, “Lola.” I was thinking, “There’s a song called Lola,” but I couldn’t get the connection. A year later, and I was watching myself back, and it clicked. Gary was trying to give me that synchronicity. I had this T-shirt on, and it’s Imola, so he was getting the last bit, Lola. I saw it and I thought, “That’s what he was trying to say, that I was wearing his Imola red T-shirt. That was one amazing thing.
Understanding Heyoka Energy: The Sacred Clown’s Wisdom
What a fabulous sign. You always sense that you two would be working together, because I was told by mediums as well that Saul and I were meant to work together. You knew from inside of yourself, from your perspective. I want to know this also. Tell us about this Heyoka energy because people are like, “What is that?” When did you learn about it? How did it teach you to flip your perspective? That is so important when we’re going through things to change our mindset about what we’re doing. Who is this Heyoka Sacred Clown who advises us not to take life so seriously? That’s the antithesis of what most people think should be going on when you’re going through something like you went through.
There’s so much to say, but Gary embodied that. I’m getting a wave of emotion now. He embodied that energy because he was a Life Path 3, which is known as the entertainer. It’s like that clown-like energy. I was having such fun. It was like I knew I was shining my light and helping people. Remember how to have fun even when you’ve lost somebody. This was at the very early stages of my journey. It was like I’ve had an accelerated awakening. I was a rebel for life. I started going to Extinction Rebellion things, marches, and I went to the big one in my hat.
I love your hat. I think it’s fabulous.
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I had tribal face paint on. There was a connection to the wolf, the Lakota wolf tribe. Wolf spirit guides spiritual awakening. Gary died at Full Wolf Moon, January 29th. That’s what it was called. I’ve since learned that it all goes back to the twelve tribes, Israel, and even further back. He was from the tribe of Benjamin, whose symbol is a wolf. I’m from the tribe of Judah. I’m a Leo.
It’s all spiritual, magical weaving of all these timelines and things. I’ve also been told this, and I know this. The more I expand and wake up and do this work, I know so many beings work through me. I have this link to North America and South America. I could go off on a side thing about the prophecy when the eagle from the North and the condor from the South come together, that prophecy, rainbow, warriors, and all those things.
Prophecy and Chaos: The Path to Healing
Tell us quickly about that prophecy. That’s fascinating. When is this supposed to take place?
Now.
We’re living it right now?
It’s like the main prophecy. All the original indigenous peoples, the ancient ones, all have their own prophecy. It’s the Hopi prophecy. It’s about when the two come together, then the whole world will heal and be able to live in harmony with each other, like heaven on earth again. It’s happening. We’re in the thick of it now.
We’re going to talk more about that, too, because I have another question about that. That’s fascinating because right now, most of us perceive the chaos that’s going on. We don’t realize we’re in the thick of this.
We’re birthing a new world. Birth is chaotic. It’s painful.
It’s happening now. Is it supposed to be completed by the end of 2025? Is there a timeline, or is it about choice and up to us humans?
This is what makes me laugh because, from other spiritual teachers, I understand that the collective consciousness of humanity has already chosen to wake up and say yes. Typical, isn’t it? Do we do this the easy way or the hard way? We seem to have chosen the hard way.
It’s amazing. The other thing I want to ask you is about the Heyoka energy. It teaches people to flip their perspective. Grief isn’t an ending. It’s a transformation, a shedding of old identities, making way for something entirely new, which you have completely done, which also happened to me. How did you originally learn about the Heyoka energy?
I was trying to remember that. That was the original question. I’m surrounded by North American Indians and South Americans. There’s the connection, the Heyoka, but also answering the call to the Indian lineage. I’ll stick with the North American, the Lakota. The North American Indian usually has a sacred clown archetype within their tribe. They know it as the Heyoka.
If they’re having a serious get together and the Heyoka comes in and starts taking the mick, having fun saying, “Lighten up, don’t take it so seriously.” When I started to embody it, I started to dress up for these marches like a shaman and put face paint on. Also, it’s about balancing your masculine and feminine energy. This links into the twin flame. We have to balance. Mother Earth called me up to restore the balance. The twin flame journey restores the balance. We have to balance the divine masculine and the divine feminine within us before we get the balance on the outside of us.
It is all about balance. I was going to these as a member of these organizations to inject fun. “Don’t take it seriously. Yes, we need to be passionate and want to make a change. We’ve got to break the systems and everything, but remember to have fun.” I landed up in my archetype as the Heyoka leading the whole march across Westminster Bridge in my magic hat, which is in my books, all these crazy things.
I realized I was being guided to the information. I thought, “I’m embodying this archetype.” I was called, then I realized that I’m a hollow bone, an instrument for the spirit to work through. That was one archetype, which is one of the strongest ones that works through me. Also, Quetzalcōātl, who is the lord of the Middle World, is a feathered serpent from the South American and Indian lineage.
It’s not scary. It’s helpful.
It’s very powerful. What I realized was that I was embodying very powerful masculine energy. Maybe a year or so after that, I was being called to take my magic to Stonehenge, Glastonbury, and London on these marches, and this powerful energy was flowing through me, like a spiritual warrior. It was amazing. It then started to balance out, and I was at Stonehenge, and a photographer took a picture of me. It was in this hat. Looking back at that photo, it’s like, “I’m balanced now.” That masculine energy has calmed down both masculine and feminine.
Shamanic Healing and Lineage: Restoring Balance
They balanced you, so now you’re prepared to help so many other people because you’re balanced, you’re bringing them balance. I know that you took all of these things that happened to you, and you chose to go to a shamanic training school. Can you tell us about that trip? Not everyone is that familiar with it. I know the training school was called The Four Winds shamanic training school, and you have a shamanic lineage that got you in touch with. I’d love to hear how you have helped someone to heal through a shamanic healing session.
I need to backtrack a little bit before I talk about The Four Winds. I didn’t even know what a shaman was, even though I’d studied archeology for ten years.
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A lot of people don’t know what a shaman is either. That’s why I want to educate them because they picture it as this crazy thing, like, “What are you doing?” I’ve also been part of a shamanic healing training, so I’m familiar with it. Go ahead, tell us where you’re going with this.
You would think I would have heard of a shaman having studied archeology, but I didn’t know what it was. I was embodying all this masculine spiritual warrior energy, and I was guided to a workshop in the New Forest at a place called The Retreat by a lady who was a shaman. She was doing a Warrior Woman Workshop. I thought, “I need to go to that.” After that, she was doing a training in a cacao ceremony. This ties into the book. This is where the story continues.
This place, called The Retreat, where this shamanic training was happening, is where Alice Little lived, who inspired Lewis Carroll to write Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland. It’s like the Mad Hatter. Clown again. I was following white rabbits everywhere. I’d been following white rabbits on the Camino, which I did in 2022. This goes back even further than that.
This Mad Hatter shamanic clown had chosen to work through me. Somehow, I can’t remember now, but I came to understand what it was. I answered the calling. I can’t even remember now, but I was guided. It was the wolf spirit guiding me because it’s been guiding me since the full wolf moon. The Four Winds is Alberto Villoldo and Marcela Lobos. Lobos means wolf, and their shamanic monastery in Chile is Los Lobos, which is the wolf sanctuary.
No accidents. Have you helped someone to heal through a shamanic healing session? Could you describe that to us?
If we accept that everything is energy, it’s all energy work. For a lot of healers, it’s energy work, whether it’s Reiki, rohani, acupuncture, whatever. It’s energy work. I was remembering, because I already know this from the infinite consciousness. It’s just that I had to have the training to remember how to do it. It then came naturally to me. We were taught the processes, but now I don’t even have to do the processes that I was taught to do. I improvise. Spirit improvises through me. The main thing I concentrate on, and if there was one thing out of the whole training that I could do for anybody, it would be a chakra reset because the chakras are so important.
Do you help people release the blockages in their chakras?
Yes. I can do remote work on people if they’re not here.
If somebody wanted to contact you from anywhere in the world, could you do this remotely for them?
Yes. It’s what we did in our training. There were people from all over the world training online. We were working on each other. Somebody in Australia did a soul retreat. I was working with people in America, Canada, Germany, and Turkey because it’s energy. When you call our energy, it’s instant. Your energy body or your light body is there. We open our sacred space to work in, and it’s the shaman’s cave, the quantum field of timelessness.
When your energy body is in front of me, I put my hands on the heart chakra and the sacral chakra. I trust the spirit to do what it needs to do for that person. I would have done lots of exploratory things beforehand to know what I’m dealing with, what the issues are. I use oracle cards and muscle testing, things like that, divination, to build a story.
It’s all about stories, to build the story of that person and what their wounds and traumas are and where they’re stuck, energy and blockages. Even a chakra reset would normally take 20 to 30 minutes. If I meet somebody on a spiritual retreat and they know that I’m not going to see that person again, and they need a soul retrieval, then a chakra reset becomes a soul retrieval. It could take two hours.
I’m having visions. The person, depending on how open their third eye is, could have visions. They have body sensations. The elementals work through me as well. I say to them, “You might feel me moving around. If you feel an emotion that needs releasing, scream, shout, laugh, cry, whatever needs to come through. If you don’t do it, I have to do it.” I was working on Sunday the other day, and I had floods of tears. I trust the process. Our spiritual teams work through us and do what’s needed.
Soul Retrieval: Why Our Souls Need Healing
I know what it is, I’ve experienced it, but for those who don’t, can you explain why a person’s soul needs retrieving? What is that about? I want to go on to ask you to talk about your book, The Story of Sunya’s Magic Hat. For people to understand, why would my soul need retrieving? Where did it go? Can you explain that to people?
Where do I start? It could be something in this lifetime, or it could be a past or a future lifetime. As my husband in spirit told me, everything is happening altogether. It’s timelessness. The quantum field is like the past, present, and future, all happening at once. Our soul is living many lifetimes all at once, which we’re not aware of because we need to focus on this lifetime, but we could have a trauma from another lifetime. Let’s focus on this lifetime.
Let’s say you had a traumatic birth. You might not even be aware of that. You are going through life and you’re thinking, “I’m fine,” and I say, “Have you checked your energy field?” They say, “There’s nothing wrong with me.” You might feel like that, which is great. The one wound that everybody has, whether they realize it or not, is a separation wound. When we are incarnated and separated from source, from our home, from love, it can be very traumatic. I’ve taken people back to that moment of birth when it was so traumatic that part of your energy, part of your light body, part of your soul runs away because it’s scary.
A sliver of our soul comes into our body, but our master soul is on the other side. Correct?
Yes. We’re not whole. John Butler said, “Make whole, be whole.” When we make ourselves whole, when we heal ourselves and become our whole self, we can be our best self. That’s what I’ve become, to do what I’m doing. We came here for a reason, and to do whatever that reason is, we can do it best when we’re whole. It is about becoming whole as well, remembering.
Do you help people bring through parts of their soul that are not complete on the other side or whatever, even though there’s a sliver of their soul within them, correct?
Yes.
The Magic Hat: A Story of Transformation and Healing
Since you’re wearing it, tell us about that amazing story of Sunya’s Magic Hat. What would you like to tell us about your wonderful book?
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I knew I had to write the story of Gary’s diagnosis, his battle with the brain tumor and dying, and my waking up and working with him. I started to write that, but at the same time, all this other stuff was happening. I came to this hat, and then I was doing all these magical things like the big one, the Extinction Rebellion, becoming a shaman, going to The Four Winds, answering the call, and everything. It’s like, “You’re not meant to write that. You’ve got to write this book because this book needs your story. It needs to come out now.” It’s a true story. The hat is part of it. It’s a story because this illusion is a story. It’s a bit overwhelming for our minds, which is why we are here to help people understand it.
Even our life now is a story in the infinite consciousness. The Akashic record. All our lives are there, and we can tap into them, past, present, and future. That’s why Eckhart Tolle says, “The only moment that is important is now, the present.” I hope this isn’t too confusing, but when we heal ourselves now, in this moment, we heal everything. When we heal those traumas and wounds from past and future lives in this moment, we heal everything. Not just ourselves, but the whole.
We’re part of the collective. If we heal, everyone benefits.
This is why we have to focus on ourselves and not focus on all the drama and everything that’s going on out there. “What could I do? I should be doing something.” The best thing you can do is focus on you, focus on your healing, because when you heal, you heal the whole.
The Great Awakening: From 3D to 5D Consciousness
That leads me to the question of the Great Awakening because we’re currently talking about the whole and talking about the way people can find out about their path, which I’m sure you help them do, and all of that. We have this Great Awakening we’re apparently experiencing. People don’t feel this awakening right now. They feel like there’s a chaotic mess going on.
It’s called our time of collective rebirth. It’s about the difference between living with a 3D or 5D existence. Can you explain that to people? What is this Great Awakening, and why is it a time of collective rebirth? What is the difference? People are talking about rising from a 3D vibration to a 5D vibration. Can you educate us a little bit about that?
We could talk for days on this. 3D is a density. It’s a low vibration. We have a choice to live in fear or love. The fear is the darkness, and love is light. It’s duality consciousness, and it’s time for duality consciousness to evolve and expand. As I said, the collective has agreed that it wants to, but it’s resisting. It’s fighting itself. It’s scared of the unknown.
5D is heaven on earth, living beyond fear and coming back to ourselves, remembering who we are. It’s all about remembering who we are and where we come from. That we are the light, we are love. We can live in heaven on earth. This is heaven. Most people think it isn’t because they’re so focused on what’s happening outside of them, rather than what’s happening inside, they’ve lost connection to self. They’ve lost connection to spirit.
You could say an energy of fear, which I call the controllers. It suits that energy to keep us in fear. It feeds off fear. We have all these distractions in the 3D density, so that most people don’t have time to dedicate their life to remembering their spiritual body. I go to mind, body, spirit fairs. We don’t just have one body. We aren’t this physical body. We have an emotional body, we have a mental body, and we have a spiritual body. How many people are even aware of that? I wasn’t.
I wasn’t either.
We have to heal each layer of the onion. It’s part of the medicine.
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That’s part of the evolving process. As we heal, we evolve more, and we come more into the collective mentality, which is the 5D existence as opposed to the 3D, where it’s all about me.
Do you choose to serve yourself or to serve others? It’s about going beyond fear and coming back to self and realizing that we are one. What you do to one, you do to yourself. What we are doing to Earth, we are doing to ourselves. We’re destroying the planet, we’re destroying ourselves. We’re going through all this chaos to help us remember. Everything is unfolding as it should because of the prophecy, because it’s time. The big shifts are a Great Awakening, the golden age of Aquarius.
I don’t know much about astrology, but it’s all there in astrology as well, like these 26,000-year cycles or something. It is time to evolve and expand, and wake up. All this chaos is forcing us to see the light. It’s like we have to go through the dark night of the soul to see the light and choose the light. Not everybody is ready to do that because it’s safer. What you know is safer. They resist. Even my twin flame chose ignorance is bliss.
The Twin Flame Journey: Love, Challenges, and Destiny
Tell us about your twin flame. I know that when you have a twin flame, there are a lot of ups and downs in that journey. How did you meet your twin flame? What is all of that about?
It’s crazy and magical. I didn’t even know about different types of soul contracts or twin flames or anything before, but it was Gary who told me. I was meditating a lot when I first woke up. Going back on the Camino 2022, God spoke to me through an old man, and I was in bliss and ecstasy. He was saying, “Keep your heart open to love. You will find love again.” I hadn’t even considered another partnership with any other human. It was like, “I’ve got the love of God, the universe. That’s all I need.” He was saying, “No, keep your heart open to love. You are meant to be with someone.” I know I’m meant to do this work with someone because of the big shift.
Anyway, so then the next year, my twin flame arrived in a crazy, magical way, but I didn’t know he was my twin flame until Gary, six months in, did this crazy running and chasing thing, on and off. No communication, ghosting. I didn’t even know about ghosting. I’ve been protected in my relationship with my husband for 35 years. I was learning all this stuff about relationships and what goes on out there. It was through meditation, and Gary was saying, “Twin flame.” I thought he was saying he was my twin flame, but no, Gary isn’t my twin flame. He’s a higher counterpart soulmate. When I looked up twin flame and what it was, I had a profound moment. That’s what is happening with this guy that I met.
That is it. I’d never felt anything like this. I didn’t even feel this with my husband, what I felt with this guy that I had just met. I learned all about the twin flame thing. There’s a minefield out there because some people say it’s a load of rubbish, but when you’re experiencing it. It’s just a label. It’s energy, but it is a real energy soul journey thing that you choose. It’s for the highest good of all.
You are doing this massive healing of yourselves. Your masculine and feminine are coming into balance. They trigger you. They trigger the worst things within you, and you have to heal them. It’s usually the feminine that is the awake one because it’s usually a conscious and awake one, and the other one isn’t. My masculine part of me was open to spirituality, but he didn’t want to expand beyond that. I had conversations about this with him because we haven’t seen each other for about a year. He chose ignorance is bliss because it was what he knew, and it was safe. He didn’t want to do the healing. He got lots of healing to do.
A lot of people are like that.
I had triggered that within him. Not all twin flames are meant to be together in a lifetime. I know this in this lifetime, and I believe it’s my last one here on Earth because I came here for this big shift. I believe that we are meant to be together and work together to help people through the shift.
Loss: The best thing you can do is focus on you and your healing, because when you heal, you heal the whole.
If he doesn’t come along with you and open up, he’ll have to get in another lifetime, right?
Yeah. They say it’s free will, it’s a choice. If it’s destined, this is my understanding because I don’t pretend to know everything. It’s what I’ve been learning, but if it’s destined and you are meant to be together, you will be. God will perform a miracle.
I’ve experienced that, too.
This whole thing is a miracle. I didn’t even know.
Shamanic Offerings: Healing Sessions and Consultations
We’re talking about the ways you help people through energy work, and you do chakras, you do consultations, you work with chakras. Tell us what you do. Do you have a promo for our audience if someone would like to work with you?
Yes, because this is my mission, or part of it. I’ve got many missions I’ve discovered, but this is the main one.
They’re keeping you busy.
They certainly are. It’s not about me anymore, it’s about why I’m here, and that’s to help people. If anybody would like me, I’ll do a free 30-minute consultation where I can see what’s going on in your energy body, in your chakras. We can do that remotely or in person. I’m doing that because that’s my mission.
For this promo that you’re going to have, are you offering a free initial chat with people to talk to them about their chakras, their influences, their imprints, and their blockages?
What usually happens is when I do mind body spirit fairs, because I love this work so much and I’m getting a wave of emotion now, I love it so much, it’s my calling, but what should take half an hour, sometimes I end up spending an hour or two hours with people because we are doing so much exploration with tarot and oracle card. I do numerology as well. I check their life path, what life path they’re on, what personal year they’re in, and what their karmic lessons are that they’ve chosen to experience in this lifetime.
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I put it all together in a big puzzle. It helps me to get some idea of what I’m going to experience when we do the chakra reset. Usually, when I do this work, people get very emotional because I hit the net. It’s not me, it’s the spirit, but I get to the root of the issues that they’re experiencing, and some people cry, or they’re so happy to be acknowledged, to be listened to.
For example, I had something come up in a session where a baby that was miscarried was an imprint in their field because it hadn’t been acknowledged. Acknowledging that baby, it was like setting it free. It was a part of the healing in that session. I never know what’s going to come up with people. The things people divulge to me. They just open up. It’s so healing.
You’re safe, also, and you’re there to help them.
It’s a safe space. Speaking your truth that you’ve been holding in is such a release and healing, and they feel like they can open up to me.
Yeah, and you understand.
When the cards show it and I say, “This and this,” and they say, “Oh my god.” It’s so revealing and open, and it’s the truth.
We’re here to expand our souls. We’re talking about that. We’re here to heal our wounds and trauma from other lifetimes, which you help people to do. By healing ourselves, we help to heal the world and the collective. Is there something else you’d like to talk about? Why is it so important for every person to do their healing work if they can? Healing takes a lot of courage, and it brings up a lot of pain. Why should people go through that?
It’s also magical and miraculous. When you come out the other side, you are reborn. What I have on the back of my business card is, “You don’t know what you don’t know.” I didn’t know what I know now. It’s so incredible and magical. My twin flame chose ignorance is bliss, but he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.
I’ve met people like him who have chosen to expand and wake up, and they’re so excited and full of life. It’s not easy. That’s why it’s called the Hero’s Journey. It’s what Joseph Campbell wrote about. Once you step on that path, there’s no going back. You can get blockages and it can get stuck, but once you take that step, it’s the Hero’s Journey. It’s so rewarding and miraculous. I’m looking at myself now. I had another transformation.
Tell us about that.
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How many more transformations? An infinite number of transformations. I was reborn because I had shaved half of my hair off. It was a very shamanic look. Going back to Gary and Jesus, Gary is with Jesus, and there’s the light of the world there. I knew I was working with Jesus and many other ascended masters, gods and goddesses, elementals, and whatever comes to help, but benevolent light energy beings, galactic races. They all work through me because they’re helping. I had a profound revelation that Jesus, who is an ascended master, is the only way back to source.
God doesn’t have a religion. God, source, the universe, whatever you want to call it, whatever it is for you, this energy source from once we came, the cosmic womb, we’ve come from this source. The only way back home, because Gary wanted to go home. He kept saying, “I want to go home.” He didn’t mean home here in Southampton. He meant back to the source. He was like, “Jesus was knocking.” When I had that profound moment, I knew that Jesus and Archangel Michael work through me.
Reading this book, I’ve got to mention this book, Lords of the Seven Rays. The seven rays are the chakras, which is why I know that working with the energy of your chakras is so important, because you are working with these ascended masters. Something I read in that book was very profound, and I was reborn. Jesus is the only way back to the source. I had to shave the rest of my hair off, and it was like a rebirth. I feel completely different yet again.
Good for you, though. You’re certainly open to transformation. Someone else would be saying, “I’m afraid of that. I’m not going there.” You go, “Bring it on.”
This isn’t a religious thing. It’s not about religion. As I say, I am not going to go out there and start preaching the Bible. I’m still doing my shamanic energy work. I read somewhere that Jesus was a shaman. It’s all energy work. That’s what I’m meant to do. One of the sessions is called illumination, where we remove the heaviness and the darkness, and you fill it with light, illuminate. I bring in the light and fill you with light so you can become whole. I was in such ecstasy again when I had this revelation. It’s so joyous.
It’s freeing, it’s joyous.
It’s liberating. That’s the word. I’m liberated.
Sunya’s Tip for Joy: Love in Full Expression
You’re liberated. You’re dropping more and more of the baggage that you’re bringing yourself. Now that we’ve said that, what is the Sunya Joynes tip on finding joy in life?
Just be your true, authentic self. Drop them off. There’s one expression quote life. What is life? You’ve heard of Suzanne Giesemann, no doubt. Her spiritual team is called Sanaya. I’ll never forget when they came through and gave the meaning of life, which is LIFE, Love In Full Expression. That’s what we are, love. Remember that we are love. We come from love. I knew that with Gary. He came from love and the energy that is love. He returned to love, which is truth. It’s also the energy of truth. I can only speak the truth now. It’s all about the truth. I embody the truth, love, and light. Yes, it’s difficult. We still have heavy days.
When you’ve grown from 3D to 5D and you have a heavy day, I think you look at it more like, “What’s the lesson I’m supposed to learn from these challenges and this heavy day I’m having,” as opposed to taking a victim consciousness and going, “Look at what’s happening to me.” Would you agree with that?
It’s expanding your awareness. Once you open your heart and you open your mind and you have an expanded awareness, and you can take a step back and not react, that’s having a higher level of consciousness.
Come at it more from the witness perspective, from the higher perspective.
It’s the eagle perspective, because in the lineage that I trained in, the moon, heart, because it’s all going back to the heart. It’s not about the head. It’s about the mind of the heart, the truth.
As we wrap up, I want to share this profound and uplifting excerpt from your book, The Story of Sunya’s Magic Hat. I love this quote. It says, “Believe in magic and miracles. We are living, breathing creations, spirit. Know that you are powerful, and together, we can change the world. Embody love, joy, and truth. Remember your inner child. Let go, surrender, and trust the process. Weave your magic into being and most importantly, have fun.” That sounds like a wonderful prescription, as we were talking about going from 3D to 5D, which is the element of the collective consciousness.
Sunya, I want to say my heartfelt thank you to you for sharing your great wisdom and for guiding so many others on their journey to healing and awakening. Your presence and your insights have been truly enlightening, and I’m grateful to you for that. Thank you once again, and I’m sending you, and I’m sure everyone is sending you many blessings.
Thank you, Irene. Thank you for this opportunity. Let’s heal the world.
Let’s heal the world. We’re doing it one episode at a time, one person contacting you to get some help at a time. Yes, we are. Thank you, Sunya, and sending you so many blessings. As I like to say, to be continued. Thank you so much.
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About Sunya (Lisa) Joynes
Well, I will start not when I was born ha! ha! but from the moment of transformation….when I ‘woke up’ when my husband died. I knew when he took this last breath that we would be working together in different dimensions, and that’s when the magic began. I was in bliss. Not what most people expect after losing your life partner! I was enjoying life…going through a transformation….from Lisa to Sunyata – ‘Sunya’ – becoming a channel/hollow bone for spirit to work its magic through, and answering the shamanic call. THEN the hat! The synchronicities of the intricately woven web were, and are incredible and, of course, there was a divine message that wanted to be put into words…but I had to LIVE the magic first. As I started to write the story of my husband’s death to wake me up, the hat book barged its way through, and was created within a matter of days. I had been guided to the perfect publisher and, as they say, the rest is history. I have completely transformed. And now live a magical existence, in service to LIFE – love in full expression – in The Shift, helping people heal and wake up. The biggest mission of our galactic history – the evolution of Earth/humanity and ascension – and the universe is watching! Not to mention the Twin Flame journey I’m on!
