Tune in for an incredibly enlightening interview with Christian Sundberg, author of A Walk In The Physical who has worked for 16 years as a project manager for complex nuclear pump and valve manufacturing projects, and he also serves as a project manager for an insurance company.
When he was a young child, Christian remembered his existence before coming to Earth, and the memory spontaneously returned 14 years ago as Christian took up a meditation practice, went through a personal awakening journey, and began to have Out-of-Body Experiences (OBEs).
During this fascinating interview, Christian shares with Irene who we really are beneath the human “play,” the larger spiritual context in which we exist and the importance of love in our human journey. This is an interview not to be missed!
IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR ABOUT THINGS LIKE:
- Who souls are without their physical bodies.
- Christian’s experience rejecting “the veil” and leaving his mother’s womb before his birth.
- The insights Christian gained from his out-of-body experiences.
- Why hardship is a gift, and why it is important to feel our pain without judgment.
- How narcissism is a natural consequence of a yet undeveloped spirit.
- The “life review” process, in which we come to understand and actually feel the full effect our choices had on others.
- Why a soul comes to Earth, and how it expands through choice making.
SOME QUESTIONS IRENE ASKS CHRISTIAN:
- Who are we without our physical bodies?
- Why does the soul come to Earth, choosing to be constricted in a physical body?
- How does the soul expand through choice-making?
- As we process and integrate our human experience, how do we heal in various ways?
- What are the different planes of existence?
- Why is the message of love so important to our journey here on Earth?
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Christian Sundberg: Remembering Your Life Before Earth: Exploring Pre-Birth Existence
Would you like to know what it is like to remember your existence before you came to Earth? You will want to hear Christian Sundberg who has presented at over 100 events as he does his part to remind others who we are beneath this human play of ours. He had this most incredible experience as a young child remembering his existence before he came to Earth. He talks about his out-of-body experiences and his life review. He even talks about narcissism and what that’s about as far as an undeveloped spirit is concerned, and why the message of love is so important for all of us here on Earth. Come join us in and enjoy. From my heart, many blessings.
I’m speaking to you from my studio in West Orange, New Jersey. I could not be more delighted to have the pleasure of interviewing Christian Sundberg who has worked for sixteen years as a project manager for complex nuclear pump and valve manufacturing projects. In addition to his work in the nuclear industry, Christian also serves as a project manager for an insurance company.
When Christian was a young child, he remembered his existence before coming to Earth. While that memory left him completely for his early adult life, it spontaneously returned fourteen years ago as Christian took up a meditation practice, went through a personal awakening journey, and began to have out-of-body experiences. Christian has presented at over 100 public speaking events as he does his part to remind others who we are beneath the human play.
His book, titled A Walk in the Physical, attempts to succinctly describe the larger spiritual context in which we exist and the importance of love in our human journey. I’m looking forward to asking Christian about his experience as a young child remembering his existence before coming to Earth, his awakening journey, his out-of-body experiences, his insights about what the human experience is and what our true nature is, what it means to be veiled, why the message of love is so important to our journey here on Earth, and so much more for what is surely going to be an incredibly fascinating and very enlightening interview for all of us.
Full disclosure, I met Christian at the International Association of Near-Death Experiences Conference in 2023. I signed up to be part of a group and enjoyed lunch with Christian. I listened to his enlightening presentation and we took a photo together. It was then that I decided that I wanted to share Christian’s fascinating and enlightening messages and healing insights on the Brief and Rebirth Podcast. Hi, Christian. A warm, and truly heartfelt welcome to the show. It is so great to be with you again.
Thank you so much, Irene. I’m so excited. It’s great to see you.
Unlocking A Pre-Birth Memory
I can’t wait to share you
A Walk in the Physical
with everybody. You have such an amazing insightful story to share with everyone. Let’s start from the beginning. How old were you when you had your pre-birth memory? Please describe it for us and describe the moment when it first returned after you took up meditation. It’s linked to this other question I had about you’ve had many different lifetimes with different roles, so just start and then we’ll go.
Before I dive into this, I always have to disclaim first that language cannot do this justice. We’re going to use language because that’s what we have, but words are so limiting. As soon as we put words on it, it’s like wrong. I’m going to do my best. I have to lift that up because words are forms and symbols. Our true nature transcends the entire system of form that we exist in right now as humans. It’s hard to put language on this. I’ll try to give it a shot.
Our true nature is stuffed into these bodies of ours.
We are stuffed down into the form and an extreme amount of limitation. It’s a very alien set of limitations, even using language, using words, and even us talking. It is a very strange way to communicate. It’s pretty pretty inefficient. Anyway, I’m 44 years old now. I was 30 years old. My body was 30 years old when I had the pre-birth memory returned. After I had meditated for several months, I wasn’t expecting anything, but I began to have very eye-opening and non-physical experiences or out-of-body experiences.
At about the same time, the pre-birth memory was there. It was so normal. I know it sounds extraordinary to share the story but it didn’t seem extraordinary because when I had let go fully of the form association, the thoughts, and the stories that I thought maybe me, I investigated my consciousness. It was so natural that I existed beyond the human story. My pre-birth planning was just part of this story and it was there. I’ll try to be succinct, there’s a lot to it. I know this sounds wild, by the way.
That’s why you’re here. Everyone tuning in to this also knows that I didn’t believe in any of this, and then I had this amazing spiritual awakening also. Ride with us, everyone. This is an incredible story.
I remember long before I had ever been physical coming across a being who had. This being had incarnated physically, but I had not yet and I felt from him the quality of his nature. This is so hard to describe because, in those systems, the higher realms are all thought-responsive and we feel and know our connectedness with one another. There’s a telepathic exchange which is very natural.
I could feel from him this incredible power, love, joy, and depth of freedom that was shining within him and from him. I asked him, “Do you feel as much freedom and joy as I feel that you feel?” He shared, “Yes.” I was able to see it. He shared into himself. He shared with me many things. I asked, “How did you do this?” He shared with me that he had lived physical lives. There was one in particular where he had suffered a long-term health condition. He had a pain that lasted in his body for years.
The way that he chose to meet that experience allowed a refinement of his being. I was so inspired. I was like, “I want to do that. I’m going to do that. Sign me up.” It was so amazing and so inspiring. At first, he communicated something like, “That’s what they all say. You don’t know what you’re asking for.” This is not negative. I was ignorant of how hard it can be in the physical. Everybody tuning in to this who was a physical knows how hard this can be.
From that perspective at that time, I was not aware, but I persisted. I said, “I mean it.” He said, “Go talk to your guides. I did and I know that I lived many times after that. The majority of my pre-birth memory at the time somewhat immediately preceding this life. Not just this life but the life before this life. I had taken a long break in between lives. I remember this guide coming to me repeatedly every once in a while, coming and asking, “Are you ready to go back yet?” I was putting him off like, “I’m not ready yet.” Finally, I was like, “I’m ready.” They are not pestering me but reminding me of my intention.
Reviewing with this guide what I can only describe as my state, like who I was right then, what I understood, and what I knew, it was very obvious the thing that I needed to “work on.” I don’t like the words need or work on because it’s not a need. You don’t have to do this and it’s not a task, but I could see that there was this very low-vibration fear that had vested me in a previous experience. Because of that fear, I had become a very egoic and damaging person in that previous experience.
It was almost like a joke how easy it was to identify the thing that would be best for me to work on. Processing, this fear was the important aspect of this challenge, but I knew that the fear was so low vibration. I was like, “Can this even be done? Has any other being in creation ever processed fear energy that’s this low in this specific way?” I could see it even from there. That is a breathtaking fear. I was told, “Yes and you have all the time available to you to do. There’s no hurry.” I knew that if it could be done, I would do it.
Is the purpose when you come across something like this to choose to overcome this so that your soul continues to evolve?
Yes. It is about the evolution of joy and love. It’s about the deepening of the self. Fear is something that we’ve got stuck on and that we’ve rejected. It’s some experience or some perspective that we haven’t integrated yet. This fear was of a deep perspective where I was powerless to escape agony, mixed with I’m too proud to suffer. It’s very specific. I don’t know how to describe the certain perception. I got stuck there so to speak.
I was very excited to have the opportunity to reface this. It’s not masochism It’s that we see the profound off-the-charts opportunity that is available to us in the physical. I was super excited. They brought me a life that was appropriate for that intention. It wasn’t this life. It was an immediately preceding life. I remember reviewing that life in incredible detail. I remember accepting that life and then I remember accepting the veil. The veil is the word that we use for the set of limitations and constraints that we take on in consciousness to have the physical experience and be human.
If we remembered where we came from, we wouldn’t learn the lessons we came here to learn.
You couldn’t be the perspective of the human if your perspective was knowing that you are the all, and there’s absolutely nothing to fear. We don’t come for fear. We come for the definition, the limitation set, and the rich context. That’s what we come for. That context in our reality means a veiling. It means a forgiving. It’s the name of the game here. It is a forgiving into a state of apparent separation.
We’re not actually separate. This is important spiritually. We are not separate from each other. We’re not separate from the whole. We’re not separate from the source, God, or whatever word we want to use. That’s not possible, but this reality is the most extreme version of separation thus far. If you want to experience being separate, then the veiling is what’s necessary to obscure the knowing.
It seems to erase the memory. In my case, as I accepted the veil for this life, it was like a plummet in the vibration of my being. Imagine the body of your awareness connected to everything. You have access to all knowledge and it’s total bliss, and then suddenly being squeezed down low like diving low. I like to describe it as a pitch being produced by sound like an amplifier or something. It’s like a high pitch and then turning them off.
When you get to the bottom, you turn it down more and more. That’s how it felt. It was this incredible intense drop in vibration down into being bodily. I arrived at the body of a fetus inside my mother. I was like, “I am not doing this. There was no freaking way. This is so dark. This is so low vibration. I’ve forgotten all that I am and that I am not. I’m not putting up with a lifetime of this.” The fear rose up.
It’s that old fear that you’re looking to get rid of.
Yes, it is very much related to that expression of that root fear because here I was limited, stuck, and unable to escape. I’m like, “No.” I summoned my spiritual might because I knew I could and I smote the veil. I fought my way back out.
Chris, hold on to your thoughts. Everyone tuning in to this has all had this experience of going down, down, down, and entering.
I can’t speak for a given person but yes, we all do. It has to be a choice. We have to accept the limitations of the physical which include the veiling to have this experience. The reason it has to be chosen is because, at the deepest level of the soul, you are a piece of God. There’s no greater authority. You are completely utterly sovereignly powerful. What can lock God away except for God? Nothing. That means we make a choice. We voluntarily surrender our power to the veil.
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That’s important because without surrendering ourselves, no one else can take it. It’s not how it works. I can at least say that we’ve all accepted the veil in order to be here. In this experience, I said, “No way.” I smote the veil. I fought my way back out, and I was successful at doing that because I was once again on the other side. I saw that I had killed the fetus that was to be my body, and I caused a miscarriage for the mother.
I saw how my choice impacted the mother, how she experienced deep grief because of the miscarriage that I had caused, and how her grief affected hundreds of other people. It’s like ripples in a pond. I didn’t just affect her. I affected hundreds of people because her grief meant that she would take more weight and more sorrow into her life and her interactions.
That was the result of my choice. I don’t want to say my fault because that’s not the way the spirit looks at it, but it was the result of my choice. I affected that change. I could see that in my life review and I thought, “Oh, man.” I know it’s okay. From that point of view, it’s okay, but I also could see very objectively like, “I have a lot of fear. I have to do something about this.”
Something else is coming to me. You just had entered a fetus. You decided to leave and you got a Life review when you returned from that little snippet. You’re probably manifesting.
I had to manifest. It wasn’t the plan. I just hadn’t been born. Whether or not the baby has emerged from the mother’s body is not necessarily the defining line. I was in the body of the womb. I don’t know. For this life, it felt like I came in very early in the pregnancy. I felt a long time when I was in my mother’s womb.
I understand that the soul enters the body at different times also.
That’s my understanding as well. For me, it was early but I know of others who might enter later during the pregnancy, even during birth, or even slightly after birth. I still had this intention so they brought me this life. I reviewed this life in incredible detail. What I mean is it was like a flow chart of millions and millions of possibilities of what this life might be like. It was like if you took a tree and laid it on its side, you started at the thick part of the tree and worked your way out to the branches, I could see all the possible paths that that were predicted as potentials.
I could feel what it would be like to be me. There were events in it but it wasn’t primarily about events. Humans want to know about events, but the way I reviewed it was more like what would it be like to be the first person to be Christian, the human. I could see that it was very likely in my early twenties, I would be crushed by a health condition. That would give me the opportunity to re-experience this fear and I was super excited. Again, this is not masochism, but I could see the opportunity.
It was amazing and I asked questions about life. I made certain requests like, “Can I be intelligent again in this life?” I knew that in recent lives, I had been intelligent and that was an aspect of experience that I didn’t want to give up. I enjoyed that. They said, “Yes, you can do that.” I knew it was important that I be a male. Not that either sex is better or worse or something. They’re just different energies.
The certain kind of energy of being male would give me almost an obtuse edge or something to face this fear. I knew that the way my father would treat me would be important. He would raise me with confidence. I wouldn’t have a self-esteem issue because of my father. That would allow me to have a rock to stand on when the fear arose.
I remember having to be a moment to say yes. I don’t remember that moment, but I do remember being in this waiting area. It’s the only way I can describe it, and then this guide coming in and being like, “Go now,” really abruptly. It’s almost like a slap across the face. Not negative but very like, “Go now. You’re on Earth time, buddy. Go.” I’m like, “Okay.”k
It’s being like in a mechanic shop, a space station, or something above the Earth. Below me was the Earth. I could see the Earth. There was a shaft like a clear window. In front of me were these beings that I can only describe as veil technicians. That sounds wild but they were very technical in nature and their being is extremely skilled at veil application because the soul is so unique in its nature and its qualities, each given life is so unique, each given body, each given world, each species, each family even. There are so many energetic things going on.
They do this thing that makes it organically fit so that the veil works well and it’s effective. It’s like custom tailored so to speak. I remember them asking me one last time, “Are you ready? Are you sure? “ I knew that if I said yes, I was in for the ride. I said yes, and then once again I felt the vibration. I plummeted down, down, down, lower, lower, lower, and all the way down. It was so low and felt like I was being shoved inside a tuna can, but also felt like I had arrived at a place that was empty and cold, like the vacuum of space.
Even though I was in the body, vibrationally, it was so dark and cold compared to where I had been. This time, I tried not to fight it. I knew, “Don’t fight the veil. Let it do what it will do. Surrender to it.” I was there for a while, and then eventually, I sent one message back to the technicians, “Did it tick?” They sent one message back, “Yes.” I felt accomplished because I knew that even making it to the physical was a huge step. It was an accomplishment.
There was your first step in overcoming fear at that time.
It was a first step in overcoming fears. I know I was never brought that up, but that is the beginning of a life. That’s very powerful. At this point of the story, I hadn’t quite said yes yet. I hate calling it a story because this is an experience that is alive right now. This experience that I shared has a sequence, but it’s also not linear like human experience. That’s a hard quality to describe. After I was there for a while, I was like, “I’m not doing this. This is not happening. This is so dark. This is so cold. I am not going to put up with a lifetime of this. No way.”
When you’re inside another woman, you’re doing the same.
Now, I’m in my mother’s womb in this life. It’s the same thing. Once again, I began to summon my mind to fight my way out. When I did that, the most holy moment of my entire life happened. The spirit of what we call God, the great I Am presence of all things, came down to me and unfolded me back out. I felt everything within me. I felt our universe within me, and I felt the Sun of Earth within me and it was churning with bliss. God said to me, “This is still what you are. You can never not be this.” I was like,
Oh.”
The reason I was fighting was because I thought I’d lost everything that I was. I thought I lost my true nature, but I hadn’t. It was just a veiling. It was just a big illusion. I stopped fighting and I let go of the simple existence of being in the womb. I’m sorry. I tried not to get moved to tears every time I told the story. Honestly, it’s like pulling down my pants every time I tell this.
It is so freaking holy to me. That was one of the main reasons I didn’t share this for a long time. You can’t talk about stuff this holy, but then I thought, “Wait a minute. This could help.” That’s what motivates me. This is not specific to me. This is not about me. This is about us. This is about what we are all doing here. We are all spirits that are much larger than the human experience. That is the truth. We may be very deeply veiled in form. I’m not making light of that, but the truth of our being which is total love, peace, freedom, and joy is such good news. I want to share it. What could be more important to say?
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This could be your soul’s purpose in this lifetime also to share this.
All I know is I’m excited to share love if that’s possible. If we can do it here, that’s freaking awesome.
Out-Of-Body Experience
That’s amazing. You had to eye-open experience this. I’m fascinated by your out-of-body experiences. I hadn’t had an out-of-body experience but during the car accident, I went into the void. Very quickly afterward, I re-entered my body as the car was spinning around. Could you tell us about some of your experiences and the insights they provide you also as you’ve gotten through all this? Your story is so amazing.
First of all, out-of-body experience is very normal when we are not so deeply associated with form anymore. We all experience higher aspects of ourselves that are engaging other reality systems all the time. I’ve had different kinds or types of out-of-body experiences. I’m not quick to label them because they’re so hard to label. I will say that I have experienced reality systems that are so freaking lucid, beautiful, and full of color and light that they put Earth to shame.
People say, “How do you know that was real?” No, this is so self-evidently real. When you’re in that state of being, it’s so clear, lucid, connected, pure, and full. It’d be like watching an IMAX movie and then coming back to a tiny 8-inch black-and-white television. Someone says, “How do you know the IMAX was real?” It’s like, “This is nothing. This black and white television is dull and tiny by comparison.” It’s like that.
I feel like that was the main takeaway. I remember when I first started having these experiences. I was so excited. I want to tell people that we are multi-dimensional beings of love and we have nothing to fear. This is incredible. People need to know this. There was this funny moment I’ve shared before that reminds me of how silly-excited I was. I only entertained this idea for about five minutes. I told my wife, “I’m going to make flyers. I’m going to put them in people’s mailboxes, and they’re going to say, ‘You’re a multidimensional being of love and you have nothing to fear.’” She’s like, “If you do that, you’re going to be that guy.” I was like, “Yeah, I will be that guy if I do that.” That’s not the way to reach people. I’m just sharing that I was extremely excited because it feels a little bit like winning the lottery when I discovered that I am not just the limitations of the body.
There has only been one time in my whole life that I’ve been able to voluntarily lay down and go out of body. I typically don’t have consciousness. I just lay down and do it, but it happens here and there. One time I was walking around my house. I thought I was awake and I thought it was a Saturday morning, and then I started wondering, “Am I out of body? I was walking around. I could feel a carpet under my toes, I could feel the cracks in the wall. I got to the bottom of my steps wondering if I was out of body and I concluded I was not. That’s how normal it was. That’s how lucid, clear, and perfectly normal it was.
I then felt stupid for even wondering because I thought I was the only guy in my city wandering around his house and wondering whether he was out of body. Now, I feel like an idiot. The light was still slightly different. I thought maybe this was out of body. I’m like, “If I’m out of body, I’ll be able to walk through this wall and go out into my front yard,” and so I did.
I walk right through the front wall and then I teleported right into my yard because that’s how it works when you’re out of body. If you want to be somewhere, you are just there. I could see the sun rising and I was like, “Holy crap” As soon as I started thinking about it, I was back in my body. It wasn’t like when I woke up in my bed. That was more real. No, it was equally real that I was in my front yard as I was in my bed. Do you know what I mean? It’s so normal. When it happens, you’re like, “What the heck was that?”
Was that your soul at the moment, Loosening its grip and leaving for a little while?
I like to reverse the order here. Instead of thinking of it like there’s a physical universe and there’s a body and you’re inside of it and it’s real, it’s the other way around. Your soul is the thing that’s real. You and your consciousness is the thing that’s real. The physical is something arriving on and in it. It’s like when you watch a movie at the movie theater.
If someone said to you, “How do you leave the movie?” You were never in the movie. You were just staring at it. What is the thing that we’re staring at really hard? Sense data and thoughts. What is the reality beneath those? As soon as we start looking beneath sense data and thoughts, at first, it seems like there’s nothing there. It’s silence.
The living fabric of your consciousness is very deep. It has a lot going on. When you can let go of focusing on all the very demanding sense data and all the very important thoughts, your thoughts will be very important because they always are. That’s why they’re arriving. They have something important and they’re demanding your attention for it. When you let go of all that deeply, you find, “That stuff is rising in me. I see. I’m not the thoughts. I’m not the sense data.”
The reason I’m responding in that way is because the physical universe is like that. There’s a Seth quote that said something like, “Physical reality is like a bright point of light that you never look away from but you can.” I like that description. When you’re body is asleep, that’s a natural time because you’re not focused on the sense data. Your brain is off because your body is asleep, but if your consciousness awakens, it’s easier to go out of body because you’re no longer being captured by that dense sense data.
That’s fascinating. I can remember two out-of-body experiences I’ve had. I had the one in the car accident and one when I was a kid. You described what happened when I was a kid. I was sleeping and all of a sudden I saw myself flying over my house. I said, “What is this?” I then brought my soul back into my body before I realized at the time what was happening. Thank you for the education that you gave me. You gave me another little piece to understand my own experience.
One small comment there that might be helpful for somebody, a tiny little comment. Assuming that the physical is the fundamentally real thing and that you are stuck here, that belief is part of the thing that keeps it locked in. I’m lifting that up because as soon as you loosen even that belief and start alertly looking at your reality, even your waking reality, it tends to open the door for other experiences. Your consciousness is already starting to be like, “Wait a minute. Is this really as firm as I thought?” I’m just lifting that up there.
Two Ways Of Growing
I’m going to make a contribution because I want my next question and I have a comment about it. This is so fascinating and wonderful to talk with you. My next question is, why does the soul come to Earth? We’re establishing it is to evolve and to get rid of issues that we’ve come upon and other lifetime and all. How does the soul expand through choice-making, and why do many souls choose these significant challenges on Earth? Do we choose these unbelievable things that some of us are going through? Do we choose them because, like you, you were overcoming fear? We all are trying to learn something and elevate our soul consciousness from our choices, but some people don’t make very good choices. They don’t go anywhere. Could you explain that concept to us?
First of all, I’m not going anywhere. We do come to evolve and to learn, but the learning is not intellectual learning. Intellectual learning happens. That’s a part of it, but it’s not about intellectual learning. It’s about the growth of the being by being something.
What are the two main ways that we are growing? These are both very big. The first is experienced integration. As we come to terms with what we’re experiencing and integrate into what we are, we figure it out, we learn it, and we experience it. We experience something to the point where we say, “I’ve been there. Done that.” We get real experience. That includes psychologically processing our experience.
The second main one is the most important thing. We come to wield a high-quality intention. What I mean by that is we come to wield an intention that is loving and all the things that love means; love, joy, peace, freedom, and our true nature, rather than an intention that is aligned with fear, which means ego, because the ego arises from fear.
All the anger, selfishness, pettiness, labeling, and all that stuff that we do that arises out of fear, that’s fear-based intentionality. Why am I saying intention and not choice-making? It’s because intention precedes the choice context. It then shines through the choice context and makes choices in it. The quality of intention that we refine here, we get to keep that. The context will fall away. Consciousness will not fall away. You will still be you.
The blessings we learned and the things that we went through days will stay with us as we move forward and then come into another lifetime or whatever.
It’s still you. It’s like if you do something on Monday night, and then you do something on Tuesday night, and then you do something on Wednesday night. Even if you did a different activity, those three nights are still you. You still take with you what you learned on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. In the case of reincarnation, even though what we’re talking about is an intellectual context wipe, that is not the critical part. The critical part is as a being, who are you and what are you? What do you understand at the being level? What if you process? You could even say virtues. I don’t want to make that sound too prescriptive but what virtues have you truly learned and developed that you truly embody and see? It’s about the quality of intention, not just the context and not just the understanding.
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What about people who come with the intention and they fail because they fall into fear, negative, negativity, judgment, and all of those things in a lifetime? They don’t seem to grow. They seem to burrow more into the negative aspects.
Fear is always insane, whether it’s small fear or large fear. Let’s say that first. Fear is not the optimal choice, and fear just means yet we’re evolve in this. It means there’s some part of our experience, some context, some situation, or some perspective that we have not fully come to terms with or have not fully healed or integrated yet, and I like the word healed.
To your question, what about people who fail? If I said to you this person is going to go to the gym and they’re going to bench press 80 pounds. This person over here is going to go bench press 200 pounds. Maybe the 80-pound person has no problem. They are able to lift the weight. The 200-pound person has a real challenge. They have a hard time. They’re lucky if they get it up one rep. Did they fail? No, they lifted 200 pounds. It was heavy.
The reason I’m lifting it up that way is the context of Earth. Failure is not the right way to look at it. It’s that we sign up for different levels of constraint and different challenge levels. For instance, if you sign up for a lifetime where you have a physical illness, that’s a lot harder in certain ways than signing up for a life where the body is fully healthy, or maybe you sign up for a context that your family life is very difficult, then you are robbed of certain psychological strengths or supports that would have been useful. Maybe you choose to be born into a country where the war is likely. Now you have to deal with this terrible societal context where people are getting killed.
It’s about what we do with that context to see. It’s not that we enter into it and now we fail. The love of spirit is so understanding. It is so understanding. That’s why when we say God’s love is unconditional, it is absolutely unconditional. It’s not a stupid unconditional. It’s like a ridiculously wise unconditional because it sees exactly those limitations. It knows us better than we know ourselves. It can see every angle and it is us.
It knows exactly why we were pushed to make a choice that might have been less loving. Does that mean that we should make fearful choices? No, we’re here to choose love. We’re here to overcome that fear. We’re here to process it out. That also means that it’s not about judgment and failure. It’d be like if someone went to Mount Everest and climbed them out and they only got halfway up. When they come back down, you don’t say, “You failed.” No, man. We respect them for that because they went to a very challenging place in the cold where there was no air.
That’s how it is being human. We’ve come to this place where spiritually, there’s no air. It’s so cold here. There’s so much fear in this world, and even while we’re here, we’re trying to make the very brave choice of being loving. It’s like doing it in the midst of the muck. That’s a great challenge and we are respected for that, not judge.
That’s a big thing that I have learned as I evolved. It’s hard to give up judgment as a human being. For me, if you take the witness, the higher perspective, you can see why people do what they do and not judge them for it in a way, and then you have your choices of how you react to their supposed negativity or whatever, which is they’re so fearful of what they’re going through.
Choosing And Embracing Hardships
That brings me to my next question. You say that hardship is a gift and it’s important to feel our pain without any judgment. We’re talking about not only judging other people’s hardships and the pain they are going through but also our own. We often hear people say they’re going through something and “I was so stupid or I shouldn’t have done this” and they’re judging themselves. When they pulled me out of the car and I got to be loving and kind to everyone, I got that meant me too. That does not include judging yourself.
Can you explain to people why we chose it? We’re talking about how we choose these big challenges to learn and evolve, but that we should not be judging other people’s experiences or our own, that we need to understand when difficulties and challenges come to us. In some ways, we’ve chosen that for lessons to learn or whatever. Can you talk to us about that?
The ego, which means the part of us that’s responding in fear and trying to fix this big problem that’s here now. The big problem is that I’m separate from the whole, I have no power, I feel shameful, I feel unworthy of love, and I don’t have control. That’s how we feel deep down right when we’re faced with such limitations, and we respond in fear to them.
The ego is the part of us that says, “You know what? I’ll fix that. I’m going to grab onto whatever I can here. Here’s some power.” Judgment is a very simple and common example of that. Ego says, “You feel powerless here? Judge the person next to you. Look at how bad they are and how good you are. See now, don’t you feel better?” That’s not true power. It’s fake power. It’s based on fear. True power is alignment with spirit and everything that spirit is everything it means, which is love, peace, freedom, joy, and acceptance, saying yes and being willing to process and experience the things in our lives.
That’s an act of saying yes, not judging ourselves, but saying, “You know what? Feel it.” Feel it to heal is a phrase I love. That’s why it’s there in my book. Feel it to heal it. When my body was 22 and I went through this health trauma, the physical shape that it took was that I was poisoned by potassium. I was in China. I studied in China in college. I tried to move to China after college. I was teaching English in a jungle where it was 110 degrees. I had a heat stroke and then I was in the hospital for four days.
They gave me bag after bag of potassium for four days straight. It’s something about my biology. My biology is very sensitive. I am way more sensitive than anybody else in so many ways. If you look at a bell curve, I’m way out on the end. This completely trashed my homeostasis. My biology was in so much pain. My nerves were screaming in pain all day every day, and I could not escape it. My body didn’t sweat for eleven months. Any time my temperature would go up, I would get sick. I would start vomiting. I couldn’t cool off.
It led to many other things. I have celiac disease. I had a lung collapse at the age of 26. This is a separate event but a similar fear, where I had internal bleeding in my chest cavity. For ten days, I was in the hospital with a tube in my chest. I had to lay there with this tape up and down my whole body that was itching and this large board on might chest. I couldn’t escape and it hurt all the time. They stuck it in there and they left it there.
You were in China.
The China thing was at the age of 22. That lung collapse was at the age of 26. I was back in the States.
I’m feeling for your mother who watched his precious son go through all of this.
Thank you. I so appreciate that because it was very hard for her. I’m saying I’ve been through numerous, and that’s just a couple. There are other examples. I’ve been through many very painful health conditions, some of which have lasted for many years. I’m just looking that up because that’s why I had post-traumatic stress in my 20s after that experience at 22.
I went through counseling and EMDR therapy for years. I found that I had buried that fear under hundreds and hundreds of layers of ego crap, stories, justifications, escapes, distractions, judgments, and anything I could think of to not face how I felt in that hospital bed in Chengdu, China when I was dying at the time from low potassium. I felt like there was nothing I could do to escape this terrible pain.
After years of going through that counseling, I found it was by seeing and feeling each layer of my BS and owning each layer of my own BS that I finally got to the root where it was so terrifying. I thought that fear would destroy me if I felt it. I went in anyway and I accepted that feeling. It doesn’t matter if I cried for hours and if I felt my whole body. No, it’s okay. I felt the feeling I rejected at 22 maybe when I was 28 or something.
It was only after all that peeling and processing at the age of 30 that I had this awakening experience precisely because I said yes to all the darkness. I didn’t say no. We don’t have to say no to life. Life is not our enemy. Do we know that? The ego will know but I don’t like that. The ego says, “I want my little weapon of judgment or I want my little weapon of I’m special because of this. You can choose that if you’d like, but it doesn’t actually work. You will still be miserable. I don’t mean to judge like it was too broad of a brush. I’m just saying that as we align with rejection, we don’t heal.
Healing is about being so vulnerable and so willing to face our own crap and take ownership of our own lives, take ownership of our own pain, take ownership of looking at maybe how somebody abused us. “That was terrible,” acknowledge it. Acknowledge how you feel. Take your power back by feeling. In the case of abuse, I know at least a couple of people who couldn’t face for a long time that they had been abused because it would mean acknowledging how powerless they were. It takes a lot of bravery to go in and face how you feel. There’s so much power there. As we say yes to reality and yes to everything we’ve experienced, that is experienced integration.
When you do that in this now, you do it for all the nows, all the lifetimes. It’s like a deepening. To bring this back to your original question, I know this sounds maybe unrelated but it’s the same exact thing. Contrast is a useful creative tool. Nothing more. When we can say yes to the depths of contrast, even then, that’s how deep our experience is capable of being and becoming. That is what we’re here for. It’s the tastiest thing for the soul. It is immortal. It can’t be threatened, but to have that taste of a truly real challenge is powerful stuff.
If I could bring it down to what I would think compared to your description, mine is a little more layman’s description. In my experience, my family abandoned me for 23 years. I have healed so much. I’ve been in therapy in different modalities and I understand now what happened with my father. I understand what brought him to be the way he was. It doesn’t take away what I went through, but I let go of judgment. That’s one of the reasons for this podcast because I tell people you have no idea the joy you can feel when you let go of that judgment of your stories. We have different stories but they’re the same in a way.
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Let me go to another one. We know that when we leave our physical body, we become so much more which you’ve been describing and we were in life. On the other side, are we an orb of energy that can telepathically communicate and relate to whoever we want to relate to? I’ve also heard that there are different planes of existence, depending on where our vibration is. Did you find that?
Yes. When you ask what we are really, the question is not directly answerable because consciousness itself, life itself, beingness itself, awareness itself, or whatever word we want to use, transcends all forms. When we ask, “Are we a ball of energy?” That’s a form. “Are we this thing? Are we that thing? What did I look like? Tell me how I look because now I’ll be able to picture it.” Forms arise within being this consciousness, not the other way around. That being said, some practical words for what that stuff is, total love, total freedom, total joy, and total peace. The fabric of bliss itself or the fabric of aliveness life itself is what we are.
That’s why they call it heaven.
Yes. The other part of your question is that there are reality systems that are much more full expressions of that true nature that I described. We call that high vibration because when you’re there and when you shift to it, you can feel it as a vibration and the body of your awareness, and it is so blissful. It’s home, like going home. Whereas coming here is like leaving home and putting on a 2,000-pound coat or maybe going into outer space and you’re clunking around outside the Space Station barely able to do anything, then you’re like, “Oh.” This is the more limited dead state, being physical. It’s not negative. It’s that this is a highly limited state, a highly densified crystallized state. That’s all.
I’m getting that when we die, it’s like a graduation. We came through this incredibly difficult experience.
It’s taking off that 2000-pound coat and now you’re like, “Oh my gosh, I can breathe again. This is amazing. How did I ever forget that?” It’s very normal and very natural. A death is a release of the constraints. It’s a wonderful thing. It’s not something to be feared. What would you be afraid of taking off all this weight that you’ve been trudging around at the end of a long day or working all week in a suit or something? That would be great to take that because you’re free again.
Life Review And Quality Of Intention
Tell me. Now, we’ve taken off this constraint. We’ve gone back home and now we get a life review. That life review also doesn’t contain judgment, but we do feel the lessons we learned and we feel how we affected others. Have I got that right?
This is going to sound weird, but the other is you. You are you. You are individuated. You’ll always be you. Don’t worry about not being you. Your individuation is precious and preserved, but you are simultaneously one with the whole. Oneness and individuation are not mutually exclusive when you’ve passed over other parts of the big you, the whole other drops in the ocean, or the other people you interacted with.
You can experience and you do experience exactly how you affected them because there are other parts of you ultimately. You experience it from a first-person, third-person, or multiple points of view experience for the purposes of learning. There’s so much that can be learned when we see the whole thing at once. Wisdom is not automatic. The vision is all there. The data is all there. The knowledge is there. The question is even then, what do you do with it? Are you willing to drop even then and take ownership like, “I did some stuff. I guess I did that.”
That’s why the guides are always so supportive of us during our lives. It’s not that they’re judging us. They’re loving us and supporting us during the life review. It’s the opposite of judgment because they know we’re going to see what he did. That’s why they love us because they know that we’re going to see. It’s one thing to say, “I’m a good person.” It’s another thing to look and see, “I heard a lot of people.”
That’s not judgment. It’s simply data. It’s just who you are. Not even just who you were. That’s important to lift up. I want to lift up all of us here because it is important to know. The most important thing that we’re reviewing in the life review is the quality of intention itself, not just the effect that we had on them. It’s about the true why that we did what we were doing. That’s what matters. The real why is what we’re here to evolve, grow, and learn from.
If we truly mean it, at the center of our hearts, have a positive intention, and we end up causing pain for somebody, that is seen as one package. The quality of intention or purity of intention is seen and known. It’s beautiful and it’s celebrated, even if we can see that might have had this effect on them. I’m lifting that up because quality of intention is first.
It’s not primarily about you producing ten love widgets and there they are in the form of some output or some physical effect. It’s not even just about physical effects. If you choose love, it will mean serving the person next to you. It will mean smiling at the person with the story. It will mean giving a hug to the person who needs it. That’s what you get.
I got it like everyone. Christian, what if a person’s intention was to hurt a lot of people?
Then that’s who they are.
Now they cross over and they see what the intention was and they succeeded in hurting a lot of people, what’s the process for them there?
Let me put it very simply and I mean to make this sound neutral. They are who they are. The reason I’m saying it that way is then they see, “I’m a fearful person,” which means “I am a yet unevolved person.” That’s all. It’s not negative.
It’s about how evolved they are. They have a choice. They may have to experience different things to prevent what they did and then evolve, or they can stay stuck on a lower vibration plane or whatever. Is that how it works?
Let me put it this way. Let’s say that you are addicted to some form of expression as an ego-pattern.
What if you are a narcissist?
Let’s take narcissism and you are always focused on yourself. You have a life review and you can see, “I was focused on myself. I hurt a lot of people.” That’s who you are. That means that you will resonate with experiences where that can be experienced, faced, and healed. We like to think karma is some system of judgment. It is about cause and effect.
If you are a narcissistic person, you will tend to have experiences where you then experience both the results of narcissism from others and the pain of your own narcissism in however many ways, whether in this life or very low-vibration thought-responsive realities that you resonate into. It’s not a punishment. It’s that that’s where you resonate. That’s who you are. You’re going to spend some time over here. It’s about choice.
The laws of cause and effect which are Karma allow us the opportunity to see and face our own unevolveness. It’s not a punishment. It’s just that we tend to be guided into the unhealed unintegrated parts of ourselves so that we can heal them, work past them, and grow. Ultimately, healing is our destination, no matter what. You can’t not return to the full love, peace, freedom, and joy of your true nature one way or the other in the long run. It’s not possible.
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During our sojourns into the worlds of form, whether it be this life or other thought-response reality systems that are low vibration for a time or what we might call temporarily hellish experiences, we might resonate ourselves into those. Another way to put it is we might choose those. Someone says, “Why would I choose the hell of fear?” We are all doing it in many ways every day when we continue to choose fear. We don’t think of it. We think it’s the best choice because we’d rather not face our fear.
I’m saying we have free will. If you resonate with a low-vibration perspective, that’s who you are, and then you will do that until you see, “Fear is insanity.” What I mean by that is fear is painful, ego is painful, anger is painful, and self-judgment is painful. It’s not great. We have to experience that first-hand, third-hand, and second-hand. Before we go, “You know what? I’m going to face all that, choose love, and be my true authentic self all the way.” Sometimes you have to be so uncomfortable for so long.
A person who has chosen to be in this low-vibration situation is an unevolved immature soul perhaps. They have hurt all these people, then they are presented with a choice also if they can come back and maybe experience what they did to others. They’re choosing to learn from that so that they can evolve and grow. Some of these people who are so hurtful are just very unevolved souls.
I’m sensitive to labeling these souls over here as unevolved yet.
Or immature?
We could even say less experienced, to be honest. I’m a little sensitive to that because souls are beautiful and unique. Every one of us is so beautiful and unique. There’s nothing wrong with any soul. That would be like saying a great vine is less evolved than an oak tree. They’re different. One yields grapes and one is thick and strong, but we may see that there is an opportunity for us to integrate some type of experience.
In my case, I have experienced a lot of physical trauma in this life, which I know is a gift. It’s not a punishment because it gives me the chance to see firsthand the terrible darkness of the fear that in the past had led me to be an egoic person to damage many other people. That is a part of me. I’m responsible now for who I was then. It doesn’t matter that it was a different life. It’s still me.
Now in this life, it’s just that I have a different context, a new chance, and a valuable chance to face that in a new way, come to terms with it, and process it. By the way, the EMDR therapist that I worked with has no idea how she played a role in helping me do that. She performed a service of a human activity called EMDR therapy. It was a structured way of working through your fears and seeing in the body where the resistance and the pain were.
I’ve experienced EMDR therapy.
They are looking down through it layer after layer. She had no idea that she was helping me facilitate an incredibly important personal, deep healing, processing, and integration that was so deep from even previous life. She has no idea how important was it that she did that. I’m just lifting that up because there may be ways that you bless the person next to you that seem so small. Maybe you smile at somebody in a certain way, and it gives them that little bit of light or that little bit of strength that they turn and face their own crap and heal a little bit. I’m lifting that up because when we choose love, we empower each other to heal. It’s like a big snowball.
The other thing I do want to say to people and I think you’ll resonate with this, Christian, is out of loving yourself though, if you come across someone so toxic or or so in your ego, it’s also loving yourself. I call it detaching with love. You can send that person love but you can keep your distance so that you’re protecting yourself.
There’s no benefit to you losing your peace if the person next to you is having a bad day and they flick you off on the street. They’re banking on ego choice. They’re just in fear. Do you need to lose your peace because they have fear? You don’t need to. It doesn’t help.
When you think about it, if you walk into a room and there are twenty people there, there are twenty different groups that experience soul and mind, coming from how are you, worrying about their own constructed world with their own different ways.
Here in our world of separation, you are an NPC to them, a non-player character. I’m saying that from their point of view in the world of separation, you look like just a character out in the world. We do feel each other. We do connect and feel each other. That connection is always there. Our souls are always communicating all the time, but for someone who is very form-associated, it’s almost invisible that connection.
I’m lifting that up because then if they treat you poorly, are they really treating you poorly? No. They’re quite blind to you. They’re focused on their pain, fear, and egoic response. It’s like if your child has a tantrum and they yell at you, do you have to get mad at them? No. In fact, if it’s a child, you can see easily, “This is a little silly. I love you anyway, or I’ll come back later when you’re done with your tantrum.” You can do that calmly. You don’t even need to let it affect you. It doesn’t affect you. There’s no reason that other people act egotistically towards this and that we can’t choose the same thing.
Facing Oneself For Soul Growth
Here’s my lollapalooza question for you, which is the crux of everything that this show is about. Christian Sundberg, as we process and integrate our human experience, why is it important to heal and how do we heal in various ways? Why should everyone consider having the courage to face themselves for their soul growth?
Yes, because love, peace, joy, and freedom are wonderful. That’s why. The reason I say that is because healing is synonymous with the integration of experience. As we integrate out of the depth, we return to the fullness of what we really are. We return to our authentic selves. Your authentic self is healed, joyful, and full of life.
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It’s a little bit like asking, “Why would I want to be full of life? Why would I want to be joyful?” It’s wonderful. It doesn’t seem at first like facing the darkness is the way back to that, but it is. That’s because in saying yes to everything, we integrate the experience, and the fullness of who we are can rise up. You can be the authentic you. That’s a very simple way to put this. There’s no actual reason you can’t be the authentic you.
You have to heal the things that are coloring your experience. It’s important to do. I liken it to dropping your backpack filled with your issues. You heal them. Now, you’re not carrying them with you everywhere you go. It gives you such a lighter joyful experience.
Part of healing is dropping the backpack. Usually, we’re holding onto the backpack because we think there’s a good reason to hold on to it. Usually, the reason for holding on to it seems better than the reason for not holding onto it. Do you know what I mean? Eventually, we say, “I’m going to put this down.” Did you know that you can put down everything in the world of form, all the thoughts and all the must-dos? That’s how deep this peace goes.
How would one go about doing that, by continuing to heal?
The reason I’m not directly referencing healing is because healing is what happens when we do this, both physical healing and deeper. It’s like logical healing. It all boils down to what quality of intention we are wielding at this moment. If something fearful, painful, or negative arises, okay, first step. I see it for what it is. I’m not going to look away. I’m going to be all knowledging of it. How does it feel in the body? How does it feel in my mind? What is it connected to?
It might be connected to something gunky, then you follow that layer. If it’s like EMDR, you follow the layers down and see what they’re connected to. Eventually, you find some gunky stuff in there in your basement. The ego is going to say, “That’s not my gunky stuff. That’s someone else’s gunky stuff. It’s all your experience. Who’s else experience is it other than your experience? You can let go of those things. You can clean out the basement and drop that gunk. It means acknowledging what’s down there. You can’t clean out the basement until you acknowledge what’s in the basement.
You have to see it and then acknowledge it.
They are willing to see it.
Joy: Human’s True Nature
They are willing to see and that’s all about choice. Here in the physical choice as a soul, when you come to do that or to deal with that. Why is our true nature already joy? Is it because that’s who we are on the other side? Would you like to talk to us about that joy?
The question can’t be answered directly because it would imply that there are some reasons, but it’s just the nature of consciousness. It’s just the nature of spirits. Spirit’s very fabric is joy, love, peace, and freedom. It is what is. It is the most real thing. Anything that is not that means we’ve gotten stuck in something that we’re not, some story, some form of association, some negative self-perception that the world seems to have proved to us, or some judgment.
It’s not really why is our true nature joy. Our true nature simply is joy. Consciousness simply is. It doesn’t have a precedent. It’s the thing that is. When we fully get in touch with that through saying yes, fully accepting this life and this moment, and fully being our authentic selves through form, the quality of intention is first, sense through form, and then that joy rises up on its own. It’s what we are, and then we see that the physical is an expression of that joy.
It’s not this terrible machine meant to crush and kill you. It’s a very daring, bold, ambitious, and creative exercise that we’ve all done together to create this environment where we may feel separate and see what is yielded from that experience. Our true nature always remains what it is. That’s the one thing I love to lift up. What is our true nature in all this?
If we can be reminded of that, even if we hear that, we go, “That pisses me off because I don’t feel that way. I feel mad.” Okay, that’s fine. Look at that. Find out why. What did life seem to prove to you that seems so dire as to why you can’t face that or be joyful? It’s all about how we choose to meet this present moment. I know all that sounds a lot abstract, so I’ll boil it down to one idea.
Simply choose at this moment how to interact with this moment. Simply choose more openness, acceptance, and more love for the person next to you, love them within yourself, and more freedom, not have-tos, but cans. More joy like, “I’m going to have fun with this even if I look like a silly child or something.” You say, “What if I want to go take a nap?” then go take a nap. It’s okay. If we can choose that at this moment and listen to our bodies, listen to our hearts, and listen to our minds, work with it, work with life, work with the flow of life, then we will find that joy is here and shines through all this form.
Episode Wrap-up
That’s beautiful. Christian, I have to say that I am feeling tremendous joy interviewing you today and sharing you with all of our wonderful audience. You’re so special. I deeply appreciate it.
We are all special, so much special.
Coming from my heart, you are special to me. I deeply appreciate you being here today. As we close, I would like to share this eye-opening quote from your Illuminating book, A Walk in the Physical, with our Grief and Rebirth podcast audience because it touched me.
The quote is, “Death is the end of the physical experience and the lifting of the constraints that cautiousness brought into in order to be human. Death is not the end but, in fact, is a wonderful transition to higher states of being. Metaphorically, death is about taking off a constraining space suit and returning to the freedom of what one really is. Thus, when someone we love experiences the death of their body, let us remember our love for them. Let us take consolation that we have not truly lost them, for they exist right now not as less than they were but, in fact, as much more.” Christian.
I wrote that the day my uncle passed from the Earth. I felt his presence though he wasn’t fully. His body had died. It’s just some transition stuff that happens. Thank you. The thing that I want to lift up there is they exist right now. This is not weird. This is not strange. They do exist right now.
They are all around us. They know what’s going on in our lives. It’s a beautiful thing and it takes away the fear of death truly. For me in my life as Irene, I focus on having as much joy and love in my life as I can until that time when physically, I die and go back to who I am.
That is a life all worth it. That is a success.
People will say to me, “Irene, you have such an unusual attitude, but I like you. I had this awakening and it has made all the difference in my life. From my heart, Christian, I want to thank you because you’re doing such Illuminating work. You’re helping people know and understand our true nature and the importance of love in this human journey of ours. Thank you also for this amazing incredibly enlightening interview. I know we’ve helped so many people today. As I like to say, to be continued. Thank you again, Christian, to be continued.
Thank you so much, Irene. Much love to you. Thank you.
Much love back, Christian. Many blessings and perhaps we will do this again. It’s been wonderful. I’m very grateful. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much. Have a great day.
Thank you.
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- Christian Sundberg
- A Walk in the Physical – Website
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About Christian Sundberg
When Christian was a young child he remembered his existence before coming to Earth. While that memory left him completely for his early adult life, it spontaneously returned 14 years ago as Christian took up a meditation practice and went through a personal awakening journey. He also began to have Out of Body Experiences (OBEs). Christian has presented at over 100 public speaking events as he seeks to remind others in at least a small part of who we really are beneath the human “play.” Professionally, Christian has worked for 16 years as a project manager for complex nuclear pump and valve manufacturing projects, and also now as a project manager for an insurance company. Christian is the author of the book “A Walk in the Physical,” which attempts to succinctly describe the larger spiritual context in which we exist and the importance of love in our human journey.
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